news.yahoo.com— WASHINGTON - The House approved legislation Wednesday giving the Bush administration authority to interrogate and prosecute terrorism detainees.
Sep 27, 2006View in Crawl 4
I was curious about how the U.S. Constitution might apply to foreigners, and according to this bill (HR6166), it apparently applies to EVERYONE when they are in a U.S. conducted court or elsewhere, such as a spot in a foreign country that is under U.S. control for whatever purpose. Maybe there are special laws that I don't know of that apply to alien detainees, but it seems to me the U.S. constitution is set up to protect EVERYONE we associate with, even criminally:========"‘‘(3) the interrogation methods used to obtain21 the statement do not violate the cruel, unusual, or22 inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by23 the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to24 the Constitution of the United States."======== [HR6166, section 948(r)(d)(3)]<a class="user" href="http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/109/h/h6166.pdf">http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/109/h/h6166.pdf</a>
>ALL of the world, except you stupid asshatsScrew you and your commie, socialist, piss ant little country. Call us when you realize your living in Eurabia.
C'mon everybody! Sing along!You've been hanging 'roundWith an enemy of the stateCome with me to the buildingThat no-one stops to watchC'mon bleedC'mon bleedC'mon bleedBleed for meWe'll strap you to a pipeElectrodes on your ballsC'mon screamC'mon writheFace down in a pool of pissC'mon bleedC'mon bleedC'mon bleedBleed for meIn the name of world peaceIn the name of world profitsAmerica pumps up our secret policeAmerica wants fuelTo get it, it needs puppetsSo what's ten million dead?If it's keeping out the TerroristsWe're well trained by the CIAWith Yankee tax money in Ft. BraggThe Peace Corps builds US labor campsWhen they think they're building schoolsHa HaWhen cowboy George comes to townForks out his tongue at human rightsSit down, enjoy our ethnic mealDine on some charbroiled nunsTry a medal onSmile at the mirror as the cameras clickand make big business happyAnytimeAnywhereMaybe you'll just disappearC'mon bleedC'mon bleedC'mon bleedBleed for me!
Jaymoon:>When was the last time a prisoner of Abu Ghraib was being carried out in a body bag with a missing head?Good point, we're much better than they are, we don't remove the heads. We hang them from the wrists until they're dead (from AP):SAN DIEGO - An Iraqi whose corpse was photographed with grinning U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib died under CIA interrogation while suspended by his wrists, which had been handcuffed behind his back, according to investigative reports reviewed by The Associated Press.The death of the prisoner, Manadel al-Jamadi, became known last year when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke. The U.S. military said back then that it had been ruled a homicide. But the exact circumstances of the death were not disclosed at the time.
"Though the electoral process is far from perfect and probably rigged, we should still vote. They'll eventually make a mistake too big for even the 'what's in it for me?' masses to ignore."They'd make that big mistake even faster if we didn't exert so much effort trying to preserve the system through voting. Also, it's a lot easier for the average person to oppose a government elected by 5% of the population than one elected by 30%, even though both represent a minority of citizens.Of course the real problem is that government (and politics in general) is the biggest externality to ever exist: small groups of special interests have strong individual motivation to vote for special priviledges and wealth transfer, while the loosely connected majority pays for it through more diffused taxes and restrictions; members of the special interests are more likely to see a benefit from voting, since they can spread the costs of their pet programs onto a larger population. For this reason, democracy (direct *and* representative) has an inherent bias against the majority on any given issue. It is not possible for the system to work in reverse, as true majority rule would diffuse benefits and concentrate costs. There would be no *point* to majority rule; all systems of government, including democracies and republics, are based on rule by minority special interests.
Oh yes, because it's obvious now that our democracy has collapsed even though we have some of the most legitimate elections in the world every two years... please.Oh and the roman republic lasted 450 years before it was turned into an empire.
allatti2dSep 28, 2006
I was curious about how the U.S. Constitution might apply to foreigners, and according to this bill (HR6166), it apparently applies to EVERYONE when they are in a U.S. conducted court or elsewhere, such as a spot in a foreign country that is under U.S. control for whatever purpose. Maybe there are special laws that I don't know of that apply to alien detainees, but it seems to me the U.S. constitution is set up to protect EVERYONE we associate with, even criminally:========"‘‘(3) the interrogation methods used to obtain21 the statement do not violate the cruel, unusual, or22 inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by23 the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to24 the Constitution of the United States."======== [HR6166, section 948(r)(d)(3)]<a class="user" href="http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/109/h/h6166.pdf">http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/109/h/h6166.pdf</a>
nixfuSep 28, 2006
>ALL of the world, except you stupid asshatsScrew you and your commie, socialist, piss ant little country. Call us when you realize your living in Eurabia.
artmanSep 28, 2006
C'mon everybody! Sing along!You've been hanging 'roundWith an enemy of the stateCome with me to the buildingThat no-one stops to watchC'mon bleedC'mon bleedC'mon bleedBleed for meWe'll strap you to a pipeElectrodes on your ballsC'mon screamC'mon writheFace down in a pool of pissC'mon bleedC'mon bleedC'mon bleedBleed for meIn the name of world peaceIn the name of world profitsAmerica pumps up our secret policeAmerica wants fuelTo get it, it needs puppetsSo what's ten million dead?If it's keeping out the TerroristsWe're well trained by the CIAWith Yankee tax money in Ft. BraggThe Peace Corps builds US labor campsWhen they think they're building schoolsHa HaWhen cowboy George comes to townForks out his tongue at human rightsSit down, enjoy our ethnic mealDine on some charbroiled nunsTry a medal onSmile at the mirror as the cameras clickand make big business happyAnytimeAnywhereMaybe you'll just disappearC'mon bleedC'mon bleedC'mon bleedBleed for me!
Closed AccountSep 28, 2006
Jaymoon:>When was the last time a prisoner of Abu Ghraib was being carried out in a body bag with a missing head?Good point, we're much better than they are, we don't remove the heads. We hang them from the wrists until they're dead (from AP):SAN DIEGO - An Iraqi whose corpse was photographed with grinning U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib died under CIA interrogation while suspended by his wrists, which had been handcuffed behind his back, according to investigative reports reviewed by The Associated Press.The death of the prisoner, Manadel al-Jamadi, became known last year when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke. The U.S. military said back then that it had been ruled a homicide. But the exact circumstances of the death were not disclosed at the time.
bullyjackSep 29, 2006
Strangely enough, the prisoners at Abu Ghraib preferred their American captors.
nybble41Sep 29, 2006
"Though the electoral process is far from perfect and probably rigged, we should still vote. They'll eventually make a mistake too big for even the 'what's in it for me?' masses to ignore."They'd make that big mistake even faster if we didn't exert so much effort trying to preserve the system through voting. Also, it's a lot easier for the average person to oppose a government elected by 5% of the population than one elected by 30%, even though both represent a minority of citizens.Of course the real problem is that government (and politics in general) is the biggest externality to ever exist: small groups of special interests have strong individual motivation to vote for special priviledges and wealth transfer, while the loosely connected majority pays for it through more diffused taxes and restrictions; members of the special interests are more likely to see a benefit from voting, since they can spread the costs of their pet programs onto a larger population. For this reason, democracy (direct *and* representative) has an inherent bias against the majority on any given issue. It is not possible for the system to work in reverse, as true majority rule would diffuse benefits and concentrate costs. There would be no *point* to majority rule; all systems of government, including democracies and republics, are based on rule by minority special interests.
allatti2dSep 30, 2006
Freyr --Since when is Russ Feingold not a man? I haven't heard that sex-change scandal yet.
williamdyerOct 1, 2006
@adding Because Clinton apparently had a pair and Bush is a wholly p0wnd subsidiary of PNAC.
dougvjNov 13, 2007
Oh yes, because it's obvious now that our democracy has collapsed even though we have some of the most legitimate elections in the world every two years... please.Oh and the roman republic lasted 450 years before it was turned into an empire.