If paypal implemented a 'recurring payment' feature, would this not be like a micropayment? Most people that have a heavy web presence at least have a paypal account, so functionality to let a surfer click a link that sets up a small monthly payment to the same paypal account would seem relatively easy to put in effect. This removes the need for any wacky browser integration and uses financial infrastructure that is already in place.
jesusphreak, you have to be working for the RIAA to believe so deeply in their bulls**t."That is stealing, regardless if you were never going to buy it or not.Its like me saying "Hey, I would never have enough money to buy that porche (and I wouldn't buy it anyway), so let me just take it. Its stealing, there's no "ifs" about it. "No the concept of trying it before you buy it is more like going to someone that happens to have a Porsche you were looking for on the lot taking it for a test drive then going and buying the actually Porsche it's self. You can be a dumb ass an buy into all the "oh were losing billions every year because of online piracy." When the FACTS are that their CD sales have gone UP as music downloads have gone up. While I won't say that downloading and keeping music is right in anyway, the try before you buy policy certainly is. The RIAA can claim these "were losing X millions" because they set the sales goals so high that they would never be able to met them, not in their best year doubled. So then they can point to the little graph that some people seem to only understand and say "hey look at what this is doing to us." and the people that can't seem to see Thur the crap they are tossing on you buy it hook line and sinker.
"gorac, for the record, an mp3 at 192k is equal to Apple's AAC format (iTunes) at 128k."Actually if you use Lame 3.96.1 or newer with the setting of Alt PresetMedium (this uses vbr & joint stereo) you will get an equivalently sized MP3 to that of a 128k AAC file which only a few audiophiles can hear the difference between. AAC isn't transparent until 192K for most people. If you want to test yourself read up on ABX tests and try to tell the difference with your own ears. It's not as tough as it sounds and can be fun.
scott mccloud makes some good points. I would love for the idea of micropayments to take hold. I like paying the artist directly. I also know that through bitorrent it is now easier to get what I want for free. I activly use allofmp3.com. I wish their was a site like that in the U.S. I would gather that that site probably makes a ton of money. It is well laid out, easy to navigate, a joy to use, gives buyers options of how they want their music and is drm free. before using allofmp3.com, I mostly browsed used cd stores in my area (one of which had to shut down because of some obscure local law against selling used items in that particular town), this place would let u listen to the whole album in their shop b4 buying. also if cd was defective, they allowed an exchange. I did rip many albums i bought at 8 dollars and later sold them back at 3 dollars. I still have the songs on my harddrive but i honestly havent listend to any of them in years. i probably listen to 1% of my total music on an active basis. Why do I use allofmp3.com? it is cheap, the quality is good, and i like it. i could d/l the songs for free easily. but i have some d/l'ed music that sounds horrible. I know it is pretty hard to mess up ripping a song these days but a good majority of people seem to do just that based on some downloaded mp3's I have.micropayments work, I subscribed to the this week in tech podcast(twit.tv), because I wan tit to continue. A off-handed remark in one twitcast by Leo Laport made me do some quick math in my mind and as far as I can tell, they have made at least 24,000 dollars in subscriptions. not a lot but it is something.I will pay for stuff I like if the price is right, simple as that. I also buy dvd's because I have a nice plasma, and a decent 5.1 surround system. even a ripped dvd does not look as nice on my screen. I also want more high-def content, but I digress. if the companies dont bridge the gap or figure out how to do the online content thing, they will lose bigtime, the internet is gonna get faster and wider for the home user. It is not going away, and the ability to d/l stuff through p2p is getting more sophisticated, and harder to trace. I forsee a future where houses are raided or searched without just cause to randomly scan home computers for pirated content. microsoft wanted to push .net subscripion models because they saw where this was all going. If prices come down, more people will buy, it seems simple.last, I was at the movie theater to see batman begins. It was a matinee but it was only about 20% full. if the ticket was cheaper, would it have had more seats occupied? if at the last minute you could buy a seat at a discount would it have been fuller? if i could buy a ticket in advance at a discount instead of for a dollar more would it have been fuller? if theaters were more concerned with filling seats at max capcity then just the cost of a ticket would the movie industry be doing better? I only have questions, no answers.
sambleJul 9, 2005
If paypal implemented a 'recurring payment' feature, would this not be like a micropayment? Most people that have a heavy web presence at least have a paypal account, so functionality to let a surfer click a link that sets up a small monthly payment to the same paypal account would seem relatively easy to put in effect. This removes the need for any wacky browser integration and uses financial infrastructure that is already in place.
kfstickmanJul 10, 2005
The middle man hates being eliminated. That's all I have to say.
adml_shakeJul 10, 2005
jesusphreak, you have to be working for the RIAA to believe so deeply in their bulls**t."That is stealing, regardless if you were never going to buy it or not.Its like me saying "Hey, I would never have enough money to buy that porche (and I wouldn't buy it anyway), so let me just take it. Its stealing, there's no "ifs" about it. "No the concept of trying it before you buy it is more like going to someone that happens to have a Porsche you were looking for on the lot taking it for a test drive then going and buying the actually Porsche it's self. You can be a dumb ass an buy into all the "oh were losing billions every year because of online piracy." When the FACTS are that their CD sales have gone UP as music downloads have gone up. While I won't say that downloading and keeping music is right in anyway, the try before you buy policy certainly is. The RIAA can claim these "were losing X millions" because they set the sales goals so high that they would never be able to met them, not in their best year doubled. So then they can point to the little graph that some people seem to only understand and say "hey look at what this is doing to us." and the people that can't seem to see Thur the crap they are tossing on you buy it hook line and sinker.
adml_shakeJul 10, 2005
"That is stealing, regardless if you were never going to buy it or not."No I read it. Maybe you just forgot what you typed.
fourcornersJul 10, 2005
"gorac, for the record, an mp3 at 192k is equal to Apple's AAC format (iTunes) at 128k."Actually if you use Lame 3.96.1 or newer with the setting of Alt PresetMedium (this uses vbr & joint stereo) you will get an equivalently sized MP3 to that of a 128k AAC file which only a few audiophiles can hear the difference between. AAC isn't transparent until 192K for most people. If you want to test yourself read up on ABX tests and try to tell the difference with your own ears. It's not as tough as it sounds and can be fun.
jarod3371Jul 10, 2005
scott mccloud makes some good points. I would love for the idea of micropayments to take hold. I like paying the artist directly. I also know that through bitorrent it is now easier to get what I want for free. I activly use allofmp3.com. I wish their was a site like that in the U.S. I would gather that that site probably makes a ton of money. It is well laid out, easy to navigate, a joy to use, gives buyers options of how they want their music and is drm free. before using allofmp3.com, I mostly browsed used cd stores in my area (one of which had to shut down because of some obscure local law against selling used items in that particular town), this place would let u listen to the whole album in their shop b4 buying. also if cd was defective, they allowed an exchange. I did rip many albums i bought at 8 dollars and later sold them back at 3 dollars. I still have the songs on my harddrive but i honestly havent listend to any of them in years. i probably listen to 1% of my total music on an active basis. Why do I use allofmp3.com? it is cheap, the quality is good, and i like it. i could d/l the songs for free easily. but i have some d/l'ed music that sounds horrible. I know it is pretty hard to mess up ripping a song these days but a good majority of people seem to do just that based on some downloaded mp3's I have.micropayments work, I subscribed to the this week in tech podcast(twit.tv), because I wan tit to continue. A off-handed remark in one twitcast by Leo Laport made me do some quick math in my mind and as far as I can tell, they have made at least 24,000 dollars in subscriptions. not a lot but it is something.I will pay for stuff I like if the price is right, simple as that. I also buy dvd's because I have a nice plasma, and a decent 5.1 surround system. even a ripped dvd does not look as nice on my screen. I also want more high-def content, but I digress. if the companies dont bridge the gap or figure out how to do the online content thing, they will lose bigtime, the internet is gonna get faster and wider for the home user. It is not going away, and the ability to d/l stuff through p2p is getting more sophisticated, and harder to trace. I forsee a future where houses are raided or searched without just cause to randomly scan home computers for pirated content. microsoft wanted to push .net subscripion models because they saw where this was all going. If prices come down, more people will buy, it seems simple.last, I was at the movie theater to see batman begins. It was a matinee but it was only about 20% full. if the ticket was cheaper, would it have had more seats occupied? if at the last minute you could buy a seat at a discount would it have been fuller? if i could buy a ticket in advance at a discount instead of for a dollar more would it have been fuller? if theaters were more concerned with filling seats at max capcity then just the cost of a ticket would the movie industry be doing better? I only have questions, no answers.