torrentfreak.com — This morning the trial of The Pirate Bay started. Without doubt, it will be the most important case the file-sharing community has ever witnessed. Here are the key parts of Day 1, distilled from the hundreds of ongoing reports.
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ultradavidFeb 17, 2009
A) There's no right to receive money for making content. Nothing says anyone has to use or buy what you make.B) It's basically meaningless to say that adding another copy to the already essentially infinite number of copies of an infinitely reproducible and transmittable thing without having to move the original copy anywhere is theft. This is especially true because the Supreme Court has taken pains to point out that copyright infringement and theft are different, as in Dowling v US.C) You can use content without paying for it already, it's been common for decades. Ever listened to the radio or watched tv? Ever gone to the library? Are you giving money to Digg for being on Digg? Come on. The point is that there are plenty of ways for people who make things to continue to earn livings without requiring the actual users to pay. And that's good, because there's no way to make users pay anymore.D) You can't get arrested for filesharing. Most kinds of copyright infringement, including the kinds you can do with filesharing, are part of the civil law, not criminal law. You can get jailtime for violating a criminal law, but if you violate a civil law, you're just gonna get fined or enjoined or something like that.
khu84Feb 17, 2009
What this pirate bay is all about? story seems too long.---<a class="user" href="http://randompostz.blogspot.com">http://randompostz.blogspot.com</a>
sneaker98Feb 17, 2009
"Fair use" has no bearing on whether you rented or bought it, folks. Feel free to interchange "rent" and "buy" in my previous comment.
fcukthisgameFeb 18, 2009
Dugg for...well, you know why.
scriptcoderFeb 18, 2009
They sell ads Syphon8. As for the "lost sale" thing. I agree that many people who pirate s**t wouldn't actually buy it but that does not just wash away the moral implications. I would never buy a $200,000 car but does that give me the right to steal one if the opportunity presents itself?Finally, it is not simply a matter of sharing. Someone still needs to get paid and I'm sure that one person buying a $20 DVD and then sharing it with 5000 strangers is not really fair compensation. Movies and music don't simply fall out of the sky.When you buy a piece of data such as a movie you are buying a license to watch it in some specific way. Thinking of a movie as a physical product is an outdated concept. If you watch TV you "pay" for watching some show through network ads or your cable subscription fee. If you're listening to the radio you listen to the ads. If you go on TPB....well, nothing. Do you understand?
mariamystar33Feb 18, 2009
good luck pirate bay!
drunkenoafFeb 18, 2009
@klowngoblin"building expert". Never heard of the term. Did you mean architect, engineer, carpenter or builder?
int19hFeb 23, 2009
mycoplasma,NIN and Radiohead also sold music on their own webpages, not only iTunes."How do you expect the game and movie industries to function without any source of profit?"I don't. I expect them to find alternative ways of making profit. If they can't, then maybe they don't have what it takes to stay in business. I can ask you back, how do you expect blacksmiths to make a living now that all sorts of metal is formed in factories? Businesses change and the world moves forward, but apparently, the record and movie industries does not.Also, it's not my problem how artists should make money. I neither buy nor copy music, and won't, until the industry has woken up from these silly attempts at forcing everyone else to do their bidding. I do go to plenty of concerts, though, and I am willing to pay for (or watch commercials on) exceptionally good services on the Internet. Last.fm and Spotify are close.There is no equality between "being compensated for your work" and disallowing filesharing. I think you've got it all wrong and have your head stuck in the mid 90's. Time to think a bit further ahead.
int19hFeb 23, 2009
Godfail, there's a difference between instructions for how to construct and/or reconstruct something from ground up and doing the same thing by fetching pieces of information elsewhere. I think you've both missed the point that I tried to explain it in a simple manner and also the technical side of it. Going ad hominem by comparing me to an idiot does not strengthen your case.