blogs.zdnet.com — The idea of a "good" experience has never been as mainstream as it is now, and that is part of the appeal of Rich Internet Applications. We now have the tools to bring that kind of rich experience to the web. We can have the sophistication of the desktop and the power of the web. The roles of designers and developers become increasingly closer.
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tomboy501Sep 16, 2006
Looking forward to seeing you around, P9 :)
Closed AccountSep 16, 2006
Do you spend your days kicking around in dreamweaver with a designer on your lap?Real developers working with MS technologies use real tools - Visual Studio for instance - not DW or "the new Frontpage".This app is an offering for pretend developers and designers who wish they were more.
p9s50w5k4gud2c6Sep 16, 2006Submitter
@PAJK"p9, I appreciate yours and everyone elses contributions to digg. But what you did, your whiney comment, just empowered the likes of dumbass Calacanis, and added to all this supposed "fraud" drama stupidity."Thanks for the welcome part of your message, PAJK. I understand your p.o.v. - but I beg to differ. One person's version of whining is another person's expression of conviction (and I mean that). I took that position because I believed then (and now) that Kevin's blog language about gaming was ill conceived and wrong. And I agree with you - it was not aimed at me AT ALL. But it gave the unfortunate impression of being aimed at submitters. Since then, both Kevin and Jay have made a concerted effort (publicly and privately) to reach out and try to undo the unintended damage. That matters.I loathe office politics - and I do my best to avoid them (in an arena that affects my job/livelihood). Getting involved in WEBSITE politics makes even LESS sense than office politics. The vast majority of us are here at Digg to enjoy the experience of this site. That should be our focus. It will be mine.I am going to do my best to avoid regurgitating this topic in Digg going forward.IMHO - while I hope every online social community becomes stronger as a result of this riot (as I call it) - I think it's time for us to MOVE ON.P9
legendarysockSep 16, 2006
By the words of AlbertPacino, digg on!
rahmad04Sep 17, 2006
errr. no... i have nothing to link, as my post says, all i have is an idea... and if you don't want to bury me, feel free to digg away...
follettoSep 17, 2006
This article is quite void. It is nothing more than the presentation of a microsoft product. Sponsored article? Maybe.It's right to say that designers and developers must work together, it's wrong to say that the two areas limits are blurred: it's a matter of roles. A designer could know something about coding, now as yesterday, exactly like a developer could know something about designing. But this doesn't mean that the limit is blurred.Also, another piece is completely missing, and it's really an error: the usability person. Usability, design and programming are three areas that must cohexist to have a successful product. As of today, many program were successful just because someone, a designer or a coder, has some intuition about usability.Instead, it's important to understand all those three professional skills.
mjjackSep 18, 2006
I agree that the designer-developer link is important but I don't think that any software tool can really solve that problem. Maybe a project manager or something. Communication is the key, and working out some sort of workflow that suits. Plus appreciating the value of each others work and expertise.I have tried MS Expression Web Designer. It's okay - the standards compliance is good but the lack of support for other server side languages is a big problem. More thoughts, if you're interested:<a class="user" href="http://www.webmaster-forums.net/showthread.php?t=34380">http://www.webmaster-forums.net/showthread.php?t=34380</a>(scroll down)I don't think they'll be able to beat Adobe for real professionals but there is a big market available for lower level wannabe "designers" IF the pricing is right.
resplenceSep 19, 2006
I'm sick of this designers x developers stuff. And believe me, despite what r2d7 says, designers are not the ones "starting" it.I'm a designer and I wish I could do nothing but design. But I can't, because if I don't know the least about programming, I can't find any decent work. Blame it on the companies and clients, who are always trying to get more for less. Why there seems to be a battle between designers and marketers? Because clients are bypassing the marketing and going straight to the design. Why there seems to be a battle between designers and developers? Because it is much cheaper to get someone who can both design and code.Most companies and clients do not understand the role each one of these professionals. They only understand and care about the results and, well, the designers are responsible for delivering what they will see, and therefore assume as the tangible good here, mistaking the designer as being able to perform all possible tasks in a project.Most of them are beginning to see the marketers as middle-men, just as most companies see people who can only program or design as an extra paycheck. Designers are *having* to learn programming and marketing because if they don't, other people will, and then they'll lose their jobs.This is specially true for freelance designers, such as myself.