acko.net — "The e-mail was intended to help web developers prepare for IE7 by pointing out problems. My guess was that Microsoft had used a web crawler to look for various CSS signposts... ""...Microsoft has been flat out lying. And by doing so they're shifting the blame for their screw-ups to the same designers they've been torturing for years."
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alexfernyAug 23, 2006
@cesclaveriaTrue, but Firefox is my preference - and having to recomend 3 different browsers at the top of the website would not be every practical. Besides, I feel Firefox is a better competitor to IE and also is non propriatary, and open source UNLIKE Opera
jinexileAug 23, 2006
There are plenty of factors that caused Microsoft to catch up to the rest of the world, you're kidding yourself if you think it wasn't at least in part due to losing 10% of their marketshare in a browser war they fought tooth and nail over from 1995-1999.
doubtingthomasAug 23, 2006
@404UserNotFound:"I have trouble recommending a Mac with OSX or Linux to anyone who is not proficient with a computer."Okay, I agree that this applies to LINUX (though user-friendly dists like Ubuntu are quickly closing up this hole) but saying this about a Mac? Mac has always had a tradition of making things as easy on the user possible. This did not change with OSX.What I find ironic about your post is that you refuse to recommend other OSes due to their apparent complexity. Yet, you admit having to spend the time to manually clean then "immunize" your client's Windows machine from external threats. In the time it took you to do this, I could have had a client's machine set up with Ubuntu able to do everything they needed it to. If it was a Mac, well, they would not have needed me at all :-)
arizonagrooveAug 23, 2006
"I also have a nice little bit of PHP that detects if the browser is IE and prints the following on the top of the website:"How does that work? All I can think is you sniff for the UserAgent string sent by the browser and that is badly flawed. Opera allows you to change the user agent, there's an extension to do it for Mozilla/Firefox.There is a very easy and totally reliable way to deliver a message to only people using IE (or browsers which use the IE engine) and that's to enclose the message in IE's conditional comments.
pornelAug 23, 2006
You're arguing about CSS3 support!? WTF!? CSS3 is a working-draft! There's no CSS3-compiliant browsers, because there is no CSS3 recommedation to support yet. You cant blame browser for not having unfinished/experimental features.See CSS2.1 support and Acid2.
da404lewzerAug 23, 2006
i concur! tho i've been trying to make IE6 seem really great, it does seem that FF is the one doing it right. I think i might switch to FF if IE7 seriously drop the underscore hacks.IE has a few advantages as most m$ apps ARE stable as far as UI. You can have tabs in IE if you download maxthon (<a class="user" href="http://www.maxthon.com/)">http://www.maxthon.com/)</a> it will take care of your popup issues too. Mouse gestures in FF? not without a plugin.. maxthon has it built in.theres my fix, if you like IE, but want firefox-like features. USE MAXTHON. IE CORE, FF functionality. (I mean c'mon, you can totally tell IE7 coppied a ton of maxthon features)Maxthon could totally give IE a better reputation if it support the google toolbar...
ruutacksesAug 23, 2006
Just because Microsoft release IE7 doesn't mean that previous versions will suddenly stop being used, so hacks will still need to be in place to allow a site to render properly. As a responsible web designer, my first priority is accessibility and inclusivity, and my job really isn't finished until my site renders as accurately as possible on as many browsers as possible.It's not difficult to create compliant CSS that works nicely across the browser spectrum as long as you work towards it from the very beginning.
shrimpcrackersAug 23, 2006
This and the freaking lie that IE7 has native transparent PNG support (it doesn't at all) is why I'm really pissed off as a designer at MS's browser design team. Seriously, what the heck, practically every minor popular browser supports transparent PNG support, has good support of CSS2. Meanwhile we get IE whichMicrosoft may be accused of many things, one thing is for certain, Microsoft is responsible for pushing behind website development.
phpirateAug 24, 2006
Personally, I'd rather people use firefox over IE anyway. If they want to use opera, all the better, but its all a matter of preference.