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libnmodMar 4, 2009
I've had my comments deleted not only from huffpo, but also from Crooks & Liars...I was even banned for a week from C&L for making fun of Ann Coulters Adams apple and man hands.
emmie01Mar 4, 2009
Don't quit posting there. There are ways to get around a lot of the censorship, and it is crucial that some of these libs get educated, for the sake of the country. Put spaces, periods, commas, misspellings of words in words that you suspect will be triggers for the censorship. Those things all work. Try posting a few pro-Obama posts mixed in with your anti posts, and it will make them stop watching you so closely. Once they are aware of your anti-Obama proclivity, I believe they put real people on to watch every post you make. Avoid that. Post some pro-Obama posts to confuse them. it will also drive the liberals up the wall! But don't quit. We need to post news to educate the fools out there.
emmie01Mar 5, 2009
Toolootool posted: You claimed the following things and I would like to know your sources: 1)His mother was stuck in Kenya because she was about to give birth2)He could have gotten a birth certificate (not just the certification) for 10$3)He paid over 800,000$ for lawyers to get the certification reprinted4)"many servicemen suing for proof of his birth because they are subject to following the orders of the President" How many? Who are these many men?5)"law time child overseas mother citizen us 10 years 5 of which after 14, she was 18" (Even if this was the case its a stupid loophole who cares.. he was born in Hawaii)6)"Obama house time newspaper notice Barrack and his mother did not live there and didn't know them7)His grandmother was present for his birth in Kenya.. Again, any evidence? Because she's saying what you want to hear you'll believe her over his own parents and legal documents? If his grandmother said He was born in Hawaii would you believe her? of course not. Not that I had any reason to believe she said this anyways so please send that source as well.8)"There are no legal documents on file in the U.S. where he entered the U.S., became naturalized from his citizenship in Indonesia, or even that he legally changed his name back from Barry Soetoro" Do you have any legal documents saying he had it changed at all? Writing your last name on a school admission form to match that of your step fathers when in a foreign country hardly constitutes a legal name change...9) Where are you getting this information that his father, grandfather, etc.. are communists? His father was a harvard educated economist. Why would a Marxists want to goto harvard to become an economist?RESPONSE:1) This information is heresay and no one claims otherwise. The people who can verifiy it are dead. (How convenient.) However, if it is taken in consideration with other known facts, it COULD complete a picture. This information however, means nothing and is not significant.2) If Barack wants a copy of the original birth certificate he can get it. He can also get a copy of his CERTIFICATION of Live Birth instead of his cronies putting a fraudulent one on his website(s).Last time I heard it was about $10. Even if he didn't want to get one, he could arrange for it's release. However, we all know why he won't. Besides, Hawaii officials never said that a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth ever existed for him. They said a CERTIFICATION Of Live Birth existed. That is not sufficient.3) You really are nuts. I never said he paid $800,000 to have it REPRINTED. I didn't tie the birth certificate to the 800,000 at all. Read my post again, and pay attention this time. Geez, you need to take a course in READING FOR CONTENT. Maybe you wouldn't be so misinformed and ignorant to facts if you weren't so delusional when you read them. What I said was that Barack has spent $800,000 or more in defending the lawsuits requesting proof of his birth, when for about $10 he could get proof and end all the lawsuits. Geez. What the hell am I talking to you for when you can't even get something simple like this right? Actually, I think it's partly intentional. It's a liberal ploy, well familiar with it. The other 1/2 is stupidity, plain and simple. How you people even made it through gradeschool is beginning to amaze me.4) For the names of them, go to Dr. Orly Taitz's website <a class="user" href="http://www.defendourfreedoms.us/">http://www.defendourfreedoms.us/</a> as she is the attorney on the case. It has multiple plaintiffs. Some of the names have been released (upon approval of each individual plaintiff) but some have not. One of the men has been told by the military now to not talk to the media about it. Do your own research, will you? World Net Daily is also reporting information on this case now. I don't know how many plaintiffs there are now, but there were additions since the case was filed.5) That was U.S. Law at the time Barack was born. Do your own research. It is on the internet. for me to find all this stuff I would have to look through a lot of files on my computer. I might be more interested if I felt that you were sincere in wanting the information. But your obnoxiousness and insults of me do not make me want to spend my valuable time getting you this information. You might consider how you treat people in the future, and they might be more willing to help you. Find it yourself. It's out there. 6) ditto, most of answer number 5)7) again, ditto number 5) It's on many sites on the internet. The audio of her is on youtube. (The audio of the Kenyan govt official is on youtube too, talking about Obama being born there -- and how proud they are). And no, if she said he was born in Hawaii I would believe. PLEASE stop projecting your stubbornness and ignorance on me. 8) there is SO MUCH information on NUMEROUS SITES relating research that has been done. Have you EVER heard of GOOGLE? Start using it. Check out the laws governing foreign adoptions, name changes, etc. It's all available on the net. I shouldn't have to waste my time looking for sources when they are readily available by googling. Sure, you have to do a little looking and reading, but DO IT. Otherwise you're not really serious anyway about getting the information so why should I waste my precious time. I'm beginning to see that I'm wasting enough on this stupid post you made. You ask for something from me yet you talk to me like I'm an idiot who you have no respect for. That does not impel me to spend time finding things for you.9) google, use it. The information is all out there. And don't forget to check out his cousin, PM of Kenya, Raila Odinga, another marxist, and what he has done after the election where he ran for President of Kenya in Dec. 2007 and lost. Obama contributed and raised funds for his campaign here in America, sending him $1 million in support of him, and gave him campaign advice. Read Jerome Corsi's book. He has done extensive research on Obama. Oh, yeah, the ones who don't want you to know the truth (blathering liberals) have bad-mouthed this book saying it's false, etc, but it isn't false, otherwise Jerome Corsi would be fighting all kinds of lawsuits on it. It ain't happenin'. Read the book and get what both sides are saying before you make a kangaroo court decision.
toolootoolMar 5, 2009Submitter
"I don't care where he was born so much, other than the fact that the constitution requires certain guidelines." Again if you're that worried about the constitution you should be looking to the Bush administration and what they've done to it through the patriot act and other means while in office. I think it would be a more valuable use of your time. All of the real evidence points to him being a US citizen, (read the websites I linked to you and my post for the proof if you have amnesia.) Unless you ask Alan Keyes of course, who again is bitter for losing to him in 2004 for the senate and 2008 for the presidency. Take everything he says with a grain of salt. Are you a fan of his? Are you aware this is where most of your assumptions are coming from? And if you're not familiar with him, check out some of his youtube videos. And I'm not talking about the ones posted in order to bash him. I'm talking about just the ones people post to make him look good, they are worth a laugh or two. This guy really despises Obama for losing to him, and because he's an extreme pro-lifer, religious nut. Constantly making false claims about Obama's views in order to scare religious people into voting for him instead. "I am interested in proof if you say he was born in Hawaii. Where are your documents? And if you don't have any, were you there personally? " Hmm.. You got me there, I wasn't in Hawaii watching Obama being delivered. It was probably another 20 years or so before I was born. And I wasn't there for Bush's, Clinton's, Lincolns, or any other president either. But I'll try to start attending as many births as I can just incase this happens again so there is no doubt. My bad. The way it works is this, you make an accusation such as "red is blue" its up to you to prove that claim. Its called burden of proof and it falls on the person making the claim. I'm going to safely assume red isn't blue until you can prove it is. If you suddenly decide to claim that Joe Biden is secretly a Russian spy, its up for you to prove that. Not up to him, me or anyone else to disprove it. But since I'm bored and it seems you didn't bother going to the links I provided last time, as I did with yours here are direct links to the documents within those pages:Here is a picture of a person HOLDING the birth certificate. <a class="user" href="http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg">http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certi ...</a>Here is a close up of the stamp used by Hawaiian officials proving they used information from his actual birth certificate to release the legal copy:<a class="user" href="http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg">http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certi ...</a>Here is a close up of the Official Seal:<a class="user" href="http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg">http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certi ...</a>Here is a close up of his Birth Certificate ID number:<a class="user" href="http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg">http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certi ...</a>Again the news paper clip from Hawaii announcing his birth:<a class="user" href="http://texasdarlin.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/close-up.jpg">http://texasdarlin.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/clo ...</a>Same newspaper clip zoomed out to show the date, notice other people born around Aug 4th are listed in the Aug 13th paper.<a class="user" href="http://buzznewsroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.jpg">http://buzznewsroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12 ...</a>I realize these documents don't satisfy you, and I believe that is because you already decided on what you are going to believe. I could produce a video tape of Obama's father becoming a naturalized citizen, a video of his mother giving birth in Honolulu and you would still believe what you want to. I also believe you think that it's the opposite and I'm the one who has made up my mind so we'll never actually convince one another of anything.Fortunately for me, President Obama and everyone else, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove he's not a legitimate citizen. I don't need to offer any evidence at all because you're the one making the accusation. That's what innocent until proven guilty is all about. And you offer no tangible evidence whatsoever to validate your arguement. Post a convincing document of any sort to back up what you're saying. Again right-wing anti-Obama websites are not a credible, unbiased sorce of information. Especially when they don't quote sources or produce legal documents backing up their conspiracy theories. Post a video, audio, written statement by his Grandmother supporting your claims that she said he was "born in Kenya", which again, is a claim that you would dismiss if she said he was born in Hawaii. If she said he was born in Hawaii you would assume she was lying because it isn't what you want to believe. Seriously think about that for a second.Produce documents from his grandfather, father, etc.. saying they are communists, marxists, communist sympathizers, etc.. And the fact that you are coming from so many different angles with your approach just goes to show you've already made up your mind on what you choose to believe. Its basically, like this: Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. If he was born in Hawaii his father was from Kenya. If his father was a naturalized citizen then Obama went to Indonesia and therefor renounced his citizenship. If he didn't renounce his citizenship then he changed his last name. If he didn't change his last name then he's a communist. etc.. If you had one valid claim that had any actual tangible evidence, it would make more sense than this throw kitchen sink at him approach and hope something is true. Excuse my sarcasm but it's hard to take anything you say seriously when the 2 websites you send me to are extremely right-wing, extremely biased and use Alan Keyes for most of their conspiracy theories. (On Alan Keyes' own blog it links to DEFENDOURFREEDOMS.US, the site you sent me hosts his legal document and appears to use it for a good deal of their information)Another site debunking this myth: <a class="user" href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/20 ...</a>
emmie01Mar 5, 2009
Toolootool posted: Barry Soetoro - Barry (short for Barrack) Soetoro (his step fathers last name) So lets assume this is really his Indonesian school admission form. Does that mean flying to Indonesia when you're too young to even have a choice means you denounce your birth given U.S. citizenship and having someone write your name as your nick name with your step fathers last name means you legally had it changed? Think about it, his name is Barrack. Or Barry for short. His step father is caring for him at a young age, his mothers last name was also Soetoro. I know many people who've adopted their step fathers last name. You don't have to have it legally changed to write it on a document. Especially if your mom and step father take you to a foreign country, they both have the last name of Soetoro and try to enroll you in a school. RESPONSE: It really doesn't matter what you think something should be. The LAWS at the time govern. It does not matter whether you think they should be what they were or not. Also check out the Indonesia laws. Indonesia at that time would not allow any persons in their schools who were not Indonesian citizens. He had to become one to go to school. Additionally, Barack still had his Indonesian passport (you have to be a citizen to get a passport of another country too) and traveled on it until he was issued a new one when he became a senator. I really am amazed that you don't know these things. Clearly, you have not been doing your research because it is ALL OVER THE INTERNET and has been for months. Perhaps it's because you refuse to go on any site which you claim has a 'BIAS". How ridiculous. EVERY single website has a bias. That is not the issue. It is whether they give the other side too that matters. Everyone can keep their bias, as long as they recognize the other side';s argument. And for that matter, one of the MOST BIASED sites on the internet is the one I met you through, HUFFINGTON POST. Talk about biased, wake up for God's sake.I will respond to the rest of the post later, as time allows. But don't give me more to answer because I probably won't. You haven't convinced me yet that you are serious enough to deserve it. Do your own research and come back to me in a month and then maybe I'll believe you.
emmie01Mar 5, 2009
Toolootool:FACTCHECK.ORG IS NOT A CREDIBLE WEBSITE IN REGARD TO OBAMA.. They are the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, which Obama "worked for" in Chicago. They supported Obama's candidacy. They have a HUGE conflict of interested in anything they say about Obama. They are not credible for this reason alone, if not many others. DO NOT give Factcheck.org as any reference to Obama in these posts. They're a JOKE in this regard.And don't bring up any other issues like you stupid liberals always do, like bush and his assault on the consitution when we are discussing CONSITUTIONAL ISSUES REGARDING OBAMA'S BIRTH QUALIFICATIONS. dont change the subject. It's a BOGUS strategy. I don't buy it. Stick to the subject or shut up.
toolootoolMar 5, 2009Submitter
A quick follow up, I don't know how many times I've requested any sources you used for your wealth of misinformation but again I haven't seen you post any, yet you keep saying that I refuse to read up on the information that you wont provide."Next time, learn some manners for civil discourse. If you're any example (as I'm sure you are), no wonder liberals are always uninformed idiots" Okay you can use me for a source if you'd like, how was I rude? What names did i call you? Did I ever call you things like "idiot" "ahole" or generalize about all "people like you" or generalize about conservatives/republicans? So... enlighten me again. Because it appears to me that you are being hypocritical. Okay, you said you know where Alan Keyes stands, but you didn't really answer my question as to if or not you knew he was behind the majority of these conspiracy theories or if you support his beliefs in general or have any connections to him? Do you think he's a credible individual after getting the "whole picture" you claim to have? Because I sure don't."But after reading most (not all) of your most recent insulting, rude post, I can tell that it is likely not worth it to post any more to you. You are not sincere. "For someone so offended by sarcasm, facetiousness, or opposing views your retaliation in my opinion is very immature and it doesn't make you look very credible. You also said you didn't even read all of my comments, I did read all of yours and I didn't get upset at all when you started slinging the mud. "You're an a-hole, and don't really want to learn anything. I know about everything you have discussed and more. You can't add to my knowledge. And you're rude and disrespectful to boot. I have done way more research than you, and there is nothing you can add to my knowledge base on this issue. Whenever you can't, you just resort to slams and insults."Well damn thats not very nice, I've spent many hours in the last few days trying to see if your conspiracy theory (or actually Alan Keyes' conspiracy theory) had any truth to it, so I do want to learn but I want to learn the truth. This unfortunately doesn't mean immediately buying into your ideology. You may have done more research on this than I have, which is why I would like to know where you are getting your information from! If you do alot of research using blogs and biased information, the research is unfortunately not worth its time. In what was was I disrespectful so I don't do it again? I mean I certainly don't think I was as disrespectful as you have been to me and I'm not all worked up about it. Resorting to slams and insults? Are you serious? Re-read the paragraph I quoted you saying, and tell me I was anywhere near this volatile in my posts. "Nothing I say is going to change you anyway because you either won't read it, or you will misinterpret it, or not read it correctly, or distort it like you did with my earlier post." You're right on this one nothing you say will change me because I require credible sources of information to back up what people tell me. I read every word you wrote, I even checked out your websites and your assertions but I would like to know where YOU got your information. You're an anonymous poster on the internet, why would I simply take your word for an elaborate conspiracy theory attack launched against a president I admire without following up with credible sources? Again, I did follow up on your assertions and I could not find any credible information to back them up. Which is why I am calling BS on your conspiracy theory :) I did enjoy our debate, I won't hold it against you that you think I'm an "ahole" and an "idiot". But I wish you would reconsider and maybe post the list of "facts" you submitted to me originally with corresponding sources that are verifiable to any degree. Simply making a claim and telling someone else to "do the research" seems to me just a cheap way out of saying you don't have any way of proving your claims. Again the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. In your case the claim originally was roughly that "Obama's continued so-called presidency apparently depends on keeping everyone stupid and ignorant to the facts" You have not provided any evidence, at all, that there is a single fact people are kept stupid and ignorant to with regard to his continued presidency being dependent on. Unless you consider sourceless comments posted on a website as evidence (Which unfortunately, It seems that you base most of your information on this).
quarkiApr 24, 2009
Dear toolootool, I just read through your entire discussion with emmie and want to thank you for your superhuman attempts to try to show her (him? it??) how fallacious her reasoning is. Unfortunately, no matter how clearly and logically you annunciated your points, you may as well have just spent the time pounding your head against the wall. I do not believe it's possible to knock sense into people who have been brainwashed to that level. It's pretty horrifying what some people can be led to believe, upon being fed enough bs. But you are a hero for trying! Obama is the best president I've had in my lifetime (and I'm 54) and possibly the only person alive who can get us out of the massive multiple messes caused by his predecessor.
pinkponiesJun 15, 2009
I'm about as Pro-Obama as they come, and 75% of my comments on HuffingtonPost are censored (either not approved OR deleted after a few days), so, your plan has some holes in it.Nevertheless, ideology aside: I think this is not an issue of Right vs. Left / Conservative vs. Liberal / Republican vs. Democrat, but, Fascism vs. Democracy. I am simply blown away that a site that professes to be progressive would THINK they can get away with such abusive censorship. Arianna Huffington is quite the opportunist and nothing she does good or bad surprises me. Yet, all the liberals/progressives who contribute to HuffPo need to be made aware and called on the carpet for lending their credibility to such a hypocritical cause/weblog. People like Michael Moore, Alec Baldwin, John Conyers, Bill Maher, etc. should be informed that they are contributing to a site that is practicing blatant censorship of its readers; something that this country was founded in opposition of. Particularly, people like Bill Maher and Michael Moore, who put the First Amendment to the test frequently in their line of work, should find what is happening at the HuffingtonPost contemptible!
lavenderfieldsFeb 7, 2010
Any disagreement with the site results in censorship and deleted posts. This is not a news site, it's personal propaganda!