torrentfreak.com— Today, The Pirate Bay trial will probably come to an end, but not before the defendants’ lawyers have their final say.
Mar 3, 2009View in Crawl 4
A restricted and more protected internet is inevitable even if there aren't people out there fighting those laws. TPB is doing what they can to try and fight it anyways because doing something is much more effective than doing nothing. I do agree though, I feel that we are fighting a losing battle.
My main point was that if I have proxies pointing to a web server behind a NAT on a VLAN you wont be getting anywhere closer to the physical location of the webserver with a little tracert or path ping. That much traffic would naturally require a number of proxies and web servers for load balancing but make no mistake it could be done efficiently.My main philosophical point was that the industries would rather see no progress made in technology rather then have to adapt to newer technology. They've been like a bunch of dinosaurs and I'm sure a programmer such as yourself can appreciate it when someone you work for doesn't try and insist you use Cobalt as opposed to something like Cold Fusion. (Ok maybe those languages have different uses but you see where I'm coming from).If the industry didn't try to legally destroy any technology that comes around instead of adapting and taking advantage of it to provide better products and services, people wouldn't be wanting to destroy the music industry right now.
@Aero347: Sure. That's sort of like fighting fire with fire. I agree - technology is great. P2P is a viable and wonderful technology used for great purposes in video game versus matches and Linux distribution. And old technologies need to go away when they're one-upped, absolutely.The industry is also a mess, I've definitely mentioned this above - it's not broken, but it does rely on these angel investments and people who don't know a motherboard from a mothership, but they're only trying to abolish our technology because they see people misusing it, they've never downloaded a Linux distro or played Halo... It's sort of like guns. Guns don't kill people on their own accord, on this we can agree, but that won't stop some people from hating them and wishing them away until we stop shooting each other... which, obviously, isn't going to happen any more than people are going to stop pirating.What do we want? We all want the same thing. Quality wares affordable to all with no hassles like DRM and commercials. I want great movies, well thought out scripts, good actors, decent singers, awesome drummers and great animation, and they want me to buy it. These Pirate Bay people aren't making movies so who the f**k cares about them? They're not the reason you have movies to watch, the people who made the movies are. Let's demand it from them and work with them to understand the technologies and how they can help more than hurt. Let's demand greater royalties for artists and support indie bands. Let's go to Coolidge Corner Cinema to watch some Kung Fu flick instead of AMC Theaters to see Kung Fu Panda (which I thought was done very well, by the way) until things are changed to what we want. Peaceful, meaningful protest, anyone? A lot more effective than if we all just play hide-and-go-seek with servers in Sweden.Let's get rid of DRM and adopt a mindset that sharing can be positive but we should not just share files but also money between us. We shouldn't be afraid to exchange currency for goods and entertainment.What does pirating the movie accomplish? You can't even accurately account for a loss, you can't even say "we lost $4 mil because of pirating." It's a big mystery, it's ineffective protest, it's not working!I'm not against the inherent desires or beliefs of people here, just the proposed means and the objective belief that there is no victim in file-sharing.
@fedja the tosser: Many countries are financially stable enough for the citizens to buy a DVD or two, and if you haven't noticed even the US is having monetary issues. Still, why should they get hand-outs? If you have a computer with a fast connection to the internet and enough processor and electricity to decode h264+ then you're not impoverished. Are you telling me you download movies so you can share them with your village? Do you run an underfunded orphanage that has a single computer and 20 bored little children? I doubt it. If you did I'm sure the big greedy media companies would be willing to supply you with free copies... here in the states group homes are frequently given entertainment and services rendered pro bono by companies big and small.Stop acting like the U.S. is lacking in philanthropic values, there's plenty of charitable and understanding people here.
X I understand the industry is on the road to making content available to the online world at a cost and I will gladly consider their services. Unfortunately they are also on the road to alienating a large portion of what would become their customer base. You can attract more flies with honey (A good service to sell) than with vinegar (Lawsuits against alternative choices). They do have the law on their side but since the people create the laws the people will decide what they want in the long run.
@Aero347: I probably agree more with you than you think. It's just two extremes - the pirates and the attorneys - neither is willing to hear the other side at all, and want to force the other side to their will, it's simply no good, since both parties are playing a role in the overall degradation of the quality of goods. It's common sense that working together we solve problems, and working against each other only creates them.@Pacman, absolutely - although I think EA has done plenty of good with the bad. They publish Burnout with all it's free after-market goodies, as well as Dead Space and Mirror's Edge (despite the problems with both titles, they're both quite innovative and good). Spore and The Godfather, et. al; not so much I'm afraid.
brpyneMar 4, 2009
A restricted and more protected internet is inevitable even if there aren't people out there fighting those laws. TPB is doing what they can to try and fight it anyways because doing something is much more effective than doing nothing. I do agree though, I feel that we are fighting a losing battle.
aero347Mar 4, 2009
My main point was that if I have proxies pointing to a web server behind a NAT on a VLAN you wont be getting anywhere closer to the physical location of the webserver with a little tracert or path ping. That much traffic would naturally require a number of proxies and web servers for load balancing but make no mistake it could be done efficiently.My main philosophical point was that the industries would rather see no progress made in technology rather then have to adapt to newer technology. They've been like a bunch of dinosaurs and I'm sure a programmer such as yourself can appreciate it when someone you work for doesn't try and insist you use Cobalt as opposed to something like Cold Fusion. (Ok maybe those languages have different uses but you see where I'm coming from).If the industry didn't try to legally destroy any technology that comes around instead of adapting and taking advantage of it to provide better products and services, people wouldn't be wanting to destroy the music industry right now.
xprojectsMar 4, 2009
@Aero347: Sure. That's sort of like fighting fire with fire. I agree - technology is great. P2P is a viable and wonderful technology used for great purposes in video game versus matches and Linux distribution. And old technologies need to go away when they're one-upped, absolutely.The industry is also a mess, I've definitely mentioned this above - it's not broken, but it does rely on these angel investments and people who don't know a motherboard from a mothership, but they're only trying to abolish our technology because they see people misusing it, they've never downloaded a Linux distro or played Halo... It's sort of like guns. Guns don't kill people on their own accord, on this we can agree, but that won't stop some people from hating them and wishing them away until we stop shooting each other... which, obviously, isn't going to happen any more than people are going to stop pirating.What do we want? We all want the same thing. Quality wares affordable to all with no hassles like DRM and commercials. I want great movies, well thought out scripts, good actors, decent singers, awesome drummers and great animation, and they want me to buy it. These Pirate Bay people aren't making movies so who the f**k cares about them? They're not the reason you have movies to watch, the people who made the movies are. Let's demand it from them and work with them to understand the technologies and how they can help more than hurt. Let's demand greater royalties for artists and support indie bands. Let's go to Coolidge Corner Cinema to watch some Kung Fu flick instead of AMC Theaters to see Kung Fu Panda (which I thought was done very well, by the way) until things are changed to what we want. Peaceful, meaningful protest, anyone? A lot more effective than if we all just play hide-and-go-seek with servers in Sweden.Let's get rid of DRM and adopt a mindset that sharing can be positive but we should not just share files but also money between us. We shouldn't be afraid to exchange currency for goods and entertainment.What does pirating the movie accomplish? You can't even accurately account for a loss, you can't even say "we lost $4 mil because of pirating." It's a big mystery, it's ineffective protest, it's not working!I'm not against the inherent desires or beliefs of people here, just the proposed means and the objective belief that there is no victim in file-sharing.
xprojectsMar 4, 2009
@fedja the tosser: Many countries are financially stable enough for the citizens to buy a DVD or two, and if you haven't noticed even the US is having monetary issues. Still, why should they get hand-outs? If you have a computer with a fast connection to the internet and enough processor and electricity to decode h264+ then you're not impoverished. Are you telling me you download movies so you can share them with your village? Do you run an underfunded orphanage that has a single computer and 20 bored little children? I doubt it. If you did I'm sure the big greedy media companies would be willing to supply you with free copies... here in the states group homes are frequently given entertainment and services rendered pro bono by companies big and small.Stop acting like the U.S. is lacking in philanthropic values, there's plenty of charitable and understanding people here.
aero347Mar 4, 2009
X I understand the industry is on the road to making content available to the online world at a cost and I will gladly consider their services. Unfortunately they are also on the road to alienating a large portion of what would become their customer base. You can attract more flies with honey (A good service to sell) than with vinegar (Lawsuits against alternative choices). They do have the law on their side but since the people create the laws the people will decide what they want in the long run.
nikomoMar 5, 2009
I'd like to point out how bulls**t that movie actually is.And dade never even got f**king laid in the end last time I checked.
xprojectsMar 6, 2009
@Aero347: I probably agree more with you than you think. It's just two extremes - the pirates and the attorneys - neither is willing to hear the other side at all, and want to force the other side to their will, it's simply no good, since both parties are playing a role in the overall degradation of the quality of goods. It's common sense that working together we solve problems, and working against each other only creates them.@Pacman, absolutely - although I think EA has done plenty of good with the bad. They publish Burnout with all it's free after-market goodies, as well as Dead Space and Mirror's Edge (despite the problems with both titles, they're both quite innovative and good). Spore and The Godfather, et. al; not so much I'm afraid.