bnp.org.uk — Winston Churchill’s famous remark that “the fascists of the? future will be called anti-fascists” is nowhere better illustrated than in the Daily Mirror newspaper, which pretends to be far left but actually openly supported Oswald Mosley’s Blackshirts in 1934.
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endeuarabiaMay 2, 2010
Now let me see screaming filled mobs with claw hammers and darts and ...supported by David Carmeron, Labour MPs , 'Liberals,' SWP, Hope Not Hate, Unions....yes “the fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists”
brianboitonoMay 2, 2010
"Winston Churchill’s famous remark that “the fascists of the? future will be called anti-fascists”... BNP MYTHS EXPOSED: The ‘Quotes’ MythApril 18, 2010 in BNP Myths ExposedThe Myth 1Winston Churchill said, “When fascism returns it will be in the guise of opposition to fascism” or “When fascism returns it will be in the guise of anti-fascism“.The Truth 1Nowhere can I find the original source of Churchill saying that fascism will return as anti-fascism. The quote itself seems to have surfaced in late 2007 and is used almost exclusively by Far Right supporters. The most likely explanation is that the Far Right invented the quote. Here’s the earliest example I have found so far: <a class="user" href="http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.co" rel="nofollow">http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.co</a> … or-fascismNovember 27, 2007Anti-fascists for fascismPosted by teageegeepea under I Don’t Need Society!, Moral posturingI think it was Winston Churchill who said “When fascism returns it will be in the guise of opposition to fascism”.Post Date :November 27, 2007 at 5:48 pmAs you can tell there are anti-Semitic comments on there. The quote seems to have been adapted from one attributed to the Governor of Louisiana, Huey Long (1893 -1935), who is supposed to have said, “Sure we’ll have Fascism here, but it will come as an anti-Fascism movement“ (Seldes G., Facts and Fascism, Chapter 2, 1943 – 7th edition).<a class="user" href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/George_Seldes/Facts_and_Fascism.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/George_Seldes/Fa ...</a>However that in turn may be misattributed, as Georgi Dimitrov presented to the Seventh World Congress of the Communist International on August 2nd 1935, a document entitled, ‘The Fascist Offensive and the Tasks of the Communist International in the Struggle of the Working Class against Fascism‘. In this he says “It is a peculiarity of the development of American fascism that at the present stage it comes forward principally in the guise of an opposition to fascism, which it accuses of being an “un-American” trend imported from abroad“.<a class="user" href="http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov ...</a>As can be seen the underlined wording is nearly identical to the supposed Churchill quote.Huey Long is also credited as saying, “If Fascism ever comes to America, it will come wrapped in an American flag“.In the absence of any primary sources of Churchill ever having said that, it seems the following scenario is likely. Georgi Dimitrov originated the phrase “in the guise of opposition to fascism“, which was then confused with the “wrapped in an American flag“ quote by Huey Long, which is quite possibly genuine, and attributed to Long. Something like, “If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the guise of opposition to fascism“.At some point, probably quite recently, this amalgamated quote skipped back over the Atlantic, was further modified and attributed to Churchill by the British Far Right. Probably because nobody in Britain has heard of Long, so they needed a recognisable name to go with the quote.Furthermore, recently scholars have attributed the quote to Italian author Ignazio Silone. That’s Italy, who were allies of Hitler’s Nazis in WWII.Despite the fact that the Far Right is inextricably connected with fascism, Nazism and White Nationalism, they try and turn the tables on their anti-fascist opponents by accusing them of being the real fascists. So presumably they chose the greatest opponent of fascism – Churchill – with his enormous patriotic symbolism and made up a quote that sounds like the sort of thing he may have said. They then have the spiritual backing of Churchill against their anti-fascist opponents, because ‘Churchill‘ said such people are the ‘real fascists‘.Considering Churchill was one of the world’s greatest anti-fascists, it makes absolutely no sense that he would warn the world about the future perils of opposing fascism!Here we have some real quotes by Churchill; see if you can find one relating to anti-fascism:<a class="user" href="http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/bulldog.html" rel="nofollow">http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/bulldog.html</a><a class="user" href="http://1millionunited.org/blogs/blog/2010/04/18/bnp-myths-exposed-the-quotes-myth/" rel="nofollow">http://1millionunited.org/blogs/blog/2010/04/18/bn ...</a>
mattblackcatMay 3, 2010
- Fact check balance - Daily mail supported Mosley too as well as Hitler and MussoliniFascists accusing others of being fascist is as retarded as calling people who fight racism racists.Except you have gone over the whack job world of conspiracy theoryYou should travel the world - it broadens the mind - try a holiday in North Korea if you want to see what oppression looks like.
cockneysparrowMay 3, 2010
"But I will go further. I declare to you from the bottom of my heart, that no Socialist system can be established without a political police. Many of those who are advocating Socialism or voting Socialist today will be horrified at this idea. That is because they are short-sighted, that is because they do not see where their theories are leading them.
mattblackcatMay 3, 2010
"North Korea is just fine for the North Koreans"You're ignorance really does know no bounds. <a class="user" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea</a>As for Nazis -Living NazisThis is a list of NSDAP members that are still alive and presumed/considered war criminals. Due to the fact that there have been many Nazis living as fugitives since that time, the fates of many remain unknown, see below:[edit] Known to be alive * Milivoj Ašner, (born 1913) Former police chief in the Independent State of Croatia who enforced racist laws under Croatia's Nazi-allied Ustaša regime, which murdered hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews and Roma. He currently resides in Austria. * Herta Bothe, (born 1921) Aufseherin who served at both Stutthof and Bergen Belsen during the war. * Luise Danz, (born 1917) Aufseherin at various camps, including Plaszów, Majdanek, Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Malchow. Was tried and convicted as part of 1946 Auschwitz trial in Poland. She was released in 1956. Was brought to trial in 1996 for her activities at Malchow, but was dismissed due to her age. * Søren Kam, (born 1921) Member of the DNSAP, the Danish Nazi Party, who fled from Denmark to Germany after the war, and is now a German citizen. On September 21, 2006, Kam was detained in the German town of Kempten im Allgäu. He is wanted in Denmark for the assassination of Danish newspaper editor Carl Henrik Clemmensen in Copenhagen in August 1943. * Erich Priebke, (born 1913) Hauptsturmführer of the SS, he participated in the Ardeatine massacre in Rome, on March 24, 1944, where he had a hand in the deaths of 335 Italian civilians. * Hermann Michel, (born 1912) As of 2010 he resides Kiel. * Sándor Képíró, (born 1914) * Eduard Lorenz, (born 1921) * Josef Scheungraber (born 1918) * Algimantas Dailidė, (born 1921) Deported in Latvia in 2004. However he was not sentenced to prison "because he is very old and does not pose danger to society. * Michael Seifert, (born 1924) * Heinrich Boere (born 1921) On 23 March 2010 in Aachen, Germany, he was sentenced to life in prison in 2010.[edit] Believed to be aliveThe following people have not been confirmed to be dead. * Alois Brunner - born 1912, responsible for the deaths of 140,000 Jews, head of Drancy internment camp near Paris. Worked for the Gehlen Organisation after the war and then fled to Syria. Possibly living in Brazil or Syria under alias Dr. Georg Fischer. The Wiesenthal Center believes he may have died in 1992. * Claude "Von Liecher" Zietsch, (born 1932) (Aryan born German from the Baden-Baden German province],[Oberstammfurer of the Hitler Youth involved in war crimes on the eastern front and an accused) SS Auschwitz extermination camp Junior officer. (1945 Seelow escaper) to South America with Josef Mengele & Adolf Eichmann from the Prussian state (still currently missing from Soviet & US "NSDAP" membership databases).[6]<a class="user" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism</a>You really should have paid attention during history classes at school.A child of 7 with access to the internet can kick your arse everytime
mattblackcatMay 3, 2010
Nice quote mineChurchill made a bad mistake by comparing the 1945 Labour Party, led by the kindly, self-effacing Clement Attlee, to Hitler’s political police.In any case the labour party is no longer a socialist party since the dropping of clause 4 from their constitutionChurchill also said the following.A fanatic is a person who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.Truth is incontrovertible, ignorance can deride it, panic may resent it, malice may destroy it, but there it is.
frostekMay 3, 2010
It's sad that such a young mind as yours has become twisted with hate.
frostekMay 3, 2010
So, are there still lots of employees working for the Mirror who were working there in 1934?I think it unlikely, and the fact you're discussing policies held at a newspaper from SEVENTY SIX years ago rather undermines your point.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.