freedomthirst.com — ThirstyJon (me) writes: "God Himself led a people out of slavery and formed a nation in ancient Israel. We have no other case in history where he has done this in such an authoritative manner. We would not be wise to discount the reasonings of the only civil government ever founded directly by Supernatural Intervention from God Himself."
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iucraigmcMar 14, 2008
I appreciate his attempt at translating God's laws into laws that the world will understand and embrace. However, God himself said those without him will not understand or fully embrace his laws. It unfortunately would be self defeating. Without the changing of hearts only changing laws is a prescriptive solution to the overall problem. We need God to change the hearts of men and the laws will change themselves.Everything Jesus taught was a paradox, which is why it is difficult for those without him to understand. To gain life you must give it up, to make peace with your enemies you must love them no matter what, to obtain sexual satisfaction you must only have it with one person, to find happiness you must give up a pleasure driven lifestyle... etc.. etc..
Closed AccountMar 16, 2008
Funny that the Hebrews didn't do too badly with the concept. It looks like your statement is unsupported by history. Try again.
DiggerGuy67Mar 19, 2008Submitter
Hello Ramble. I don't think you understand the idea. I am not saying that we make the Bible the Civil Law. I am saying that we would be unwise to disregard the only time in History we have Authoritative Written Record of God creating a Civil Government. I am convinced that we are not "under the law" (New Testtament Christianity), but the law is wisdom from God. We can study His Law, discern His Heart and Wisdom, and be inspired in our own Civil Lawmaking by the wisdom and ideas behind God's Civil Laws for Israel. I have no problem with sorting out "religious" laws from "civil" laws because we are NOT ancient Israel. We are America (or wherever you are from.So we don't need to ban cutting the hair on the side of your head. But we can search for info on how God sorted out disputes, enforced Civil Peace, and provided a Healthy Society.I want to know His thoughts on the matter and then humbly (I hope) present those thoughts to the world. The Bible talks about God's laws being written on the hearts of the "gentiles." People know God's laws. They are "common sense." (although not so "common") God reveled His Wisdom for us to discover and understand, just like we discover and understand the Created Natural Universe.:-)ThirstyJon
alkajazzMar 25, 2008
1. To refrain from destroying living beings. 2. To refrain from stealing. 3. To refrain from sexual misconduct (adultery, rape, etc.). 4. To refrain from false speech (lying). 5. To refrain from intoxicants, which lead to heedlessness. The noble eight fold path?