sapperlite writes: "I also find it strange that even Digg members from Sweden have not heard of this announcement. Could it all be a lie?"It's a real document. Perhaps people (journalists, for example, or the author herself) just doesn't really believe it is an attainable goal.
brashguido writes: "They also stated that they thought renewable energies were not the way of the future, and are instead investing that money to try and produce cleaner fossil fuel energy."What?! That's crazy. Will they still say that when there really are no more fossils to burn?Protocols or not (the Kyoto protocol is, as far as I know, by experts (in Sweden), not considered to be much more than a first, tiny step), I took for granted that everyone in their hearts was aware of that this gotta stop, the sooner, the better.
Here it is on the Government Site<a class="user" href="http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/3212/a/51058">http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/3212/a/51058</a>Does anyone read or research anymore or is everything just spitting any garbage from there mouths?Americans that dont like America, if you are truly hate America, leave, if you dont then you are a hypocrit since you suck in our freedoms and economy and spew BS for your attention anti everything friends.
Let the free market decide. Well first the market has to be free. As long as the consumers are allowing themselves to be screwed why change. We have to stand up to the NYME and ask the oil future traders why their investors are taking advantage of us. Well greed comes to mind along with stupidity on our part. NYME could set the price of crude at $10.00 a barrel and still make money. We could vote with our feet but that will never happen until they price oil out of reach of the consumers. Wake up America there is no crude oil shortage and until we can unite the consumers to stop topping off their gas tanks we will never get lower gas prices. simple as that.
Today's news had an article on a new plan to convert grass to ethanol. It stated it would take 6 years maybe. Well converting grain and sugar beets has been done already. One of the major producers of ethanol have closed their ethanol plants paid for by the US taxpayers because they lost the tax breaks. Also Brazil has converted over 75% of their autos to ethanol made from sugar cane. Why is the US not promoting more ethanol production. Why ? because the oil barons have no way of controlling the price of ethanol. clear and simple
you are right. We should not even try!You cynics are a bigger problem than the technology.Re transportation: I was watching a series on the Science Channel called Future Car. There was little about it for the future it tauted the progress other countries are making (and they are huge). I forgot if it was the Netherlands or Norway, but whichever country it is now has a large number of hydrogen cars which stop at hydrogen stations to fill up (they are spotted all over the country). These cars are powerful, go a long way on a tank and cost little to fill up. We are close to finding a perpetual energy car based upon electricity and compressed air. These cars are not little golf carts, some have big time horsepower. Other countries are embracing a variety of solutions while we we still have people fighting to keep fossil fuels and others who won't even think about any kind of change until a a silver bullet is dropped into their laps.Re: Renewable Energy: We are even making strides despite all the heavy opposition to change. See <a class="user" href="http://usaenvironment.blogspot.com/2008/08/clean-coal-is-nothing-but-marketing.html">http://usaenvironment.blogspot.com/2008/08/clean-c ...</a> and <a class="user" href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15051506/global_warming_a_real_solution">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/1505150 ...</a> and
CoolUsing High Tech For Conservation <a class="user" href="http://reno.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4327">http://reno.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4327</a>We Love Sunlight Spills. In this article, How American Energy Independence Was Won, <a class="user" href="http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=3907,">http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=3907,</a> the author wrote, ?Voila, 4,641,748,800 megawatts a year. America?s heir and a spare to American energy independence. The Feds lease this land to U.S. Solar, Inc. (a strong, proud and patriotic USS for the stock exchange with We Love Sunlight Spills as its? slogan) for The Nevada Solar Plant. U.S. Solar, Inc. is a red-blooded true blue American capitalist mega-corporation. U.S. Solar, Inc., through it?s Nevada division, Nevada Solar, Inc., gets the usual Federal and State tax subsides and contracts awarded to mega-corporations. A new breed of lobbyist is born, one driving electric cars with a solar panel on every roof. U.S. Solar, Inc. immediately pays it CEO $100 million a year plus perks and bonuses. U.S. Solar, Inc. hires illegals, has zero retirement and health care coverage, is non-union. It charges its? employees for plugging in their electric cars, and each car has a solar panel on its roof. Ownership of electric cars is a condition to employment and the power generated by the solar panel on each car?s roof belongs to the U.S. Solar, Inc. electric grid. For those just not getting it :-( more ;-) tongue-in-cheek sarcasm going on here. Nevada Solar, Inc pays it CEO $50 million a year plus perks and bonuses. Within two years Nevada Solar, Inc., replicates itself in Montana and other American states, then goes global. It?s Another Great American Story. Brings a tear of patriotic pride to my eye, ?cause boy, we really won that American War for Energy Independence. ?
It can be done in the U.S too. It is just dependant upon the will of the people to give up some of their habits that really belongs to yesterdays world!Do they want to give up their bigg-ass SUV;s? Can they consider travelling by other means than just one person in a car? Are some people willing to let go of the attitude "everthing about supporting things that makes the environment better as leftwing green "sissys" that they just have to oppose?" Do you really want to support the old fossil fuel based auto industry by any means(thinking about Obama now)?Swtich to alternative energy sources like windmills and so on?Use the computers and the net even more?Start using filesharing instead of the Physical means of distribution, even amonst old-timers?Are they really, in reallity, willing to give up some of their current lifestyles? I'm too pessimistic for that happening in America in the foreseable future, but I hope I am wrong! Anyway the US would set an important example that China and India would be willing to follow in future climate conferences!
petroleumjJan 24, 2006Submitter
Baby steps.
maccalvin5Jan 24, 2006
hey diggtards, if you're going to post news, please link to the ORIGINAL NEWS ITEM, not just commentary<a class="user" href="http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/3212/a/51058">http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/3212/a/51058</a>
bromsklossJan 25, 2006
sapperlite writes: "I also find it strange that even Digg members from Sweden have not heard of this announcement. Could it all be a lie?"It's a real document. Perhaps people (journalists, for example, or the author herself) just doesn't really believe it is an attainable goal.
bromsklossJan 25, 2006
brashguido writes: "They also stated that they thought renewable energies were not the way of the future, and are instead investing that money to try and produce cleaner fossil fuel energy."What?! That's crazy. Will they still say that when there really are no more fossils to burn?Protocols or not (the Kyoto protocol is, as far as I know, by experts (in Sweden), not considered to be much more than a first, tiny step), I took for granted that everyone in their hearts was aware of that this gotta stop, the sooner, the better.
crazyfanJan 25, 2006
<a class="user" href="http://www.postcarbon.org/node/1985">http://www.postcarbon.org/node/1985</a><a class="user" href="http://www.iema.net/news/envnews?aid=11286">http://www.iema.net/news/envnews?aid=11286</a>Did anyone do a simple search, its around the web?<a class="user" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Sweden+Plans+on+Being+the+First+Country+in+the+World+to+Be+Free+From+Oil+in+2020&btnG=Search">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Sweden+Plans+on+Being+the+First+Country+in+the+World+to+Be+Free+From+Oil+in+2020&btnG=Search</a>
crazyfanJan 25, 2006
Here it is on the Government Site<a class="user" href="http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/3212/a/51058">http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/3212/a/51058</a>Does anyone read or research anymore or is everything just spitting any garbage from there mouths?Americans that dont like America, if you are truly hate America, leave, if you dont then you are a hypocrit since you suck in our freedoms and economy and spew BS for your attention anti everything friends.
chipJan 27, 2006
Let the free market decide. Well first the market has to be free. As long as the consumers are allowing themselves to be screwed why change. We have to stand up to the NYME and ask the oil future traders why their investors are taking advantage of us. Well greed comes to mind along with stupidity on our part. NYME could set the price of crude at $10.00 a barrel and still make money. We could vote with our feet but that will never happen until they price oil out of reach of the consumers. Wake up America there is no crude oil shortage and until we can unite the consumers to stop topping off their gas tanks we will never get lower gas prices. simple as that.
chipFeb 2, 2006
Today's news had an article on a new plan to convert grass to ethanol. It stated it would take 6 years maybe. Well converting grain and sugar beets has been done already. One of the major producers of ethanol have closed their ethanol plants paid for by the US taxpayers because they lost the tax breaks. Also Brazil has converted over 75% of their autos to ethanol made from sugar cane. Why is the US not promoting more ethanol production. Why ? because the oil barons have no way of controlling the price of ethanol. clear and simple
jenniferinmoAug 28, 2008
you are right. We should not even try!You cynics are a bigger problem than the technology.Re transportation: I was watching a series on the Science Channel called Future Car. There was little about it for the future it tauted the progress other countries are making (and they are huge). I forgot if it was the Netherlands or Norway, but whichever country it is now has a large number of hydrogen cars which stop at hydrogen stations to fill up (they are spotted all over the country). These cars are powerful, go a long way on a tank and cost little to fill up. We are close to finding a perpetual energy car based upon electricity and compressed air. These cars are not little golf carts, some have big time horsepower. Other countries are embracing a variety of solutions while we we still have people fighting to keep fossil fuels and others who won't even think about any kind of change until a a silver bullet is dropped into their laps.Re: Renewable Energy: We are even making strides despite all the heavy opposition to change. See <a class="user" href="http://usaenvironment.blogspot.com/2008/08/clean-coal-is-nothing-but-marketing.html">http://usaenvironment.blogspot.com/2008/08/clean-c ...</a> and <a class="user" href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15051506/global_warming_a_real_solution">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/1505150 ...</a> and
elgstrJan 5, 2009
CoolUsing High Tech For Conservation <a class="user" href="http://reno.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4327">http://reno.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4327</a>We Love Sunlight Spills. In this article, How American Energy Independence Was Won, <a class="user" href="http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=3907,">http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=3907,</a> the author wrote, ?Voila, 4,641,748,800 megawatts a year. America?s heir and a spare to American energy independence. The Feds lease this land to U.S. Solar, Inc. (a strong, proud and patriotic USS for the stock exchange with We Love Sunlight Spills as its? slogan) for The Nevada Solar Plant. U.S. Solar, Inc. is a red-blooded true blue American capitalist mega-corporation. U.S. Solar, Inc., through it?s Nevada division, Nevada Solar, Inc., gets the usual Federal and State tax subsides and contracts awarded to mega-corporations. A new breed of lobbyist is born, one driving electric cars with a solar panel on every roof. U.S. Solar, Inc. immediately pays it CEO $100 million a year plus perks and bonuses. U.S. Solar, Inc. hires illegals, has zero retirement and health care coverage, is non-union. It charges its? employees for plugging in their electric cars, and each car has a solar panel on its roof. Ownership of electric cars is a condition to employment and the power generated by the solar panel on each car?s roof belongs to the U.S. Solar, Inc. electric grid. For those just not getting it :-( more ;-) tongue-in-cheek sarcasm going on here. Nevada Solar, Inc pays it CEO $50 million a year plus perks and bonuses. Within two years Nevada Solar, Inc., replicates itself in Montana and other American states, then goes global. It?s Another Great American Story. Brings a tear of patriotic pride to my eye, ?cause boy, we really won that American War for Energy Independence. ?
Closed AccountJan 18, 2009
It can be done in the U.S too. It is just dependant upon the will of the people to give up some of their habits that really belongs to yesterdays world!Do they want to give up their bigg-ass SUV;s? Can they consider travelling by other means than just one person in a car? Are some people willing to let go of the attitude "everthing about supporting things that makes the environment better as leftwing green "sissys" that they just have to oppose?" Do you really want to support the old fossil fuel based auto industry by any means(thinking about Obama now)?Swtich to alternative energy sources like windmills and so on?Use the computers and the net even more?Start using filesharing instead of the Physical means of distribution, even amonst old-timers?Are they really, in reallity, willing to give up some of their current lifestyles? I'm too pessimistic for that happening in America in the foreseable future, but I hope I am wrong! Anyway the US would set an important example that China and India would be willing to follow in future climate conferences!