talkingpointsmemo.com — One thing we've learned about James von Brunn is that he was apparentely a 'birther', one of these folks who claims that Barack Obama is not the legitimate president of the United States because he is not a natural born US citizen (this is all the 'where's the birth certificate' nonsense).
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Closed AccountJun 10, 2009
Nah, he'll go get his friends soon. Can't have Pope Paul's anti-JEW stance exposed.
Closed AccountJun 11, 2009
"DO you know why stormfront supports Ron Paul?"Well, some of the reasons cited on that first of 1600 pages of comments includes:"he also supports securing the Mexican border""Ron Paul would collapse the Jewish infrastructure in this country.""probably wouldn't be sending monetary AID to the Africans""Ron Paul is the last chance the white race has for just 10% of its survival, much less America.""But here's the real question... Why WOULD they endorse a candidate. Why WOULD they give a measly $500 to a candidate?"Simple answer: Because he represents their views. You act like stormfront.org is some highly organized political group. It's about as organized as Digg or Slashdot. And the $500 figure? That's what the leader of stormfront gave personally. You ignore all of the banner ads that many of the stormfront readers clicked on to donate to the Ron Paul campaign."Do you really think a kid who is racist or on the edge of racist is going to read your comment/blog/whatever about how disgusting Ron Paul is for having a White Supremacist group support him and agree with you..."So you would probably feel the Holocaust museum should not exist because this same kid might find the Nazis portrayed there to be appealing? I'd like to think that intelligent writing can be persuasive -- that it can convince some kid that hate groups are something to be ashamed of."Nobody knew what the f**k stormfront was before it was spammed all over CNN and blogs and comment boards and forums smearing people like Ron Paul."Speak for yourself. I've known what it is for years. So have many others, including vocal watchdog groups who monitor hate sites."Look at the associations between McCain and Dr. David Duke."McCain isn't on "my side" and I am not at all suprised that David Duke would be associated with him. "As far as Obama goes... have you heard some of this stuff Rev. Wright has said?"Yes. That's one older black man who has seen racism first hand and is still understandably bitter about it. It's not like some massive hate group that supports Obama because he shares their views."And as far as his Inaugural prayer, the "White will embrace what is white" line... perhaps you missed it:"Actually, it was "white will embrace what is right." With our history of white-on-black racism in this country, what's so horrible about hoping that all white people will finally reject it? I'm white. I don't feel that Barack Obama is prejudiced against me. Do you think he is?"Because Stormfront supports Ron Paul, every Ron Paul supporter is a racist. Because Ron Paul supports libertarian views, every libertarian is a racist."Except that I never said, or implied, anything like that. You wrote: "It's a gross over-generalization at best to tie this nutjob to Ron Paul supporters."I replied: "Yeah, sure it is. And let's ignore this 16,000+ message thread on neo-Nazi website stormfront.org:"The thread was people who have the same world-view as the shooter and a huge number of them support Ron Paul. That's a link and a valid observation. It's not like the shooter was unique in his thinking among Ron Paul supporters."I'm saying Ron Paul supporters have nothing to do with neo-Nazi's."So the thousands of neo-Nazi Ron Paul supporters on stormfront have nothing to do with neo-Nazis?"I'm saying your support or opposition to him as a candidate has nothing to do with your racial views."You are correct. I have long posted my opposition to him based on his loony ideas about the economy and the role of government. You can go through my postings and search for Ron Paul and see that."But you're turning it into that. You associate Ron Paul supporters with neo-Nazi's. That's bigotry."Again, you grossly misrepresent my position. I never suggested that all of Ron Paul's supporters were neo-Nazis (or even that a majority were). I said that associating the shooter with Ron Paul is not some wild, illogical flight of fancy given Ron Paul's appeal to people of the shooter's mindset."So when you post crap like what I posted above, crap from stormfront, crap from whatever... you aren't doing the world a bit of good to ease the racial tension or promote racial equality, you're doing the opposite."You are incorrect. Exposing racists and publicly denouncing them is exactly what should be done. It's what the Holocaust Museum does. It's what the Southern Poverty Law Center does. Ignoring them is not the answer."It's fine if you don't see the bigotry in labeling me a racist because I'm a libertarian. But it's what you're saying, and it's bigotry."I challenge you to find any place in this thread where I said that you were a racist or that all libertarians are racists. Take your time.
richmomzJun 11, 2009
"The Fail is strong with this one."
Closed AccountJun 11, 2009
I'm actually surprised at you. I guess I shouldn't be. Oh well.
wlmafiaJun 12, 2009
I was being sarcastic.
yarcodJun 12, 2009
Oh wait, I think I get where things are going wrong... "Simple answer: Because he represents their views."I think you're attempting to pull the Nazi Card to say that his political views are wrong. Guilt by association. Now that we've had a pretty deep discussion, I would say that your motives are pure and honest and you're just not aware of that being a logical fallacy. <a class="user" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum</a>Like saying Hitler believed in evolution, therefore evolution is wrong. Because the Neo-Nazi's believe it's a good idea to secure the Mexican border, it's a bad idea to secure the Mexican border. Now I'm not going to say I agree it's a good idea to secure the Mexican border, but I will say that using the Neo-Nazi's as an argument against it is at best a logical fallacy and at worst dishonest. Someone like NoLibertarians (Who originated this discussion) I know is beyond it being a simple logical fallacy for him. He knows it's a logical fallacy and he doesn't care. His motives, on the other hand, are not pure and honest. He would pull the Nazi card knowing it doesn't really mean anything, but he wants to discredit the ideas he can't otherwise discredit. So I do apologize for putting you on the same level as him, who has proven to be a bigot of Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters. Intentions do mean a lot when it comes to stuff like this. I hope you can understand, as you defending his statements and maybe not understanding his intentions, and I getting tripped up in semantics could make that mistake.
oldhickJun 14, 2009
Right, the zionist Republicans pander to the antisemites base with their unequivocal support for Israel and the Jewish people. Republicans are also EXTREMELY anti-Federal reserve. You hear them talk about that all the time too...
paranor01Jun 14, 2009
FAIL, try again: <a class="user" href="http://digg.com/d1tbBv">http://digg.com/d1tbBv</a>
Closed AccountJun 14, 2009
I believe that would be correct, Captain Obvious.(why does that sound like a slam?)