technocrat.net — House bill HR 5295 made it out of committee and passed, and is now going to the Senate for review. This bill allows education officals and local police to just randomly search, all the way to a strip search, any student they want to, any time, based on suspicion only, basically whenever they feel like it and say the magic words.
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shabadooSep 23, 2006
With these wackos in power, it'll pass.
1010011010Sep 23, 2006
It already "passed" -- in 1985. I'm not sure this bill will make much actual difference.
jonforthewinSep 24, 2006
This sounds like a job for the Second Amendment.
jonforthewinSep 24, 2006
If I were still in high school and were subjected to this I would resort to violence (even lethal measures) like an American has not only the right but the duty to do so when confronted with anti-American laws.I hope other kids would do the same.This is America god damn it, and the criminals aren't going to take it from us.
vixiecronSep 24, 2006
"What is not written are restrictions on power."The restriction of power doesn't have to be written in this case as it's already there. The authorities who are writing these policies are either elected themselves or appointed by someone who is elected. If you don't like their policies, you don't have to vote for them.Must we explicitly describe the mechanisms of a democratic republic in every resolution?
blogcruiserSep 24, 2006
You can see the bill here and it's written up pretty slick:<a class="user" href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.5295.IH:">http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.5295.IH:</a>
garyh84Sep 24, 2006
This isn't the constitution. It would be a law. Meaning that it doesn't have to say what it allows, it would only say what it doesn't allow.
mrpackrat42Sep 25, 2006
Get used to it, kids. It won't be long before school districts can use eminent domain to seize you from your parents and sell you off to the highest bidder.
suplyndmndSep 25, 2006
You kinda miss my point. If they say no, what are they going to do? The kid can refuse and cause enough of a scene that they wont do it. They cant HOLD you down and search you. That can be argued as kidnapping as it is holding someone against their will from leaving. I gurantee you NO one would ever go to all that to search a student.
Closed AccountSep 25, 2006
If you want individual rights for your children, put them in independent schools that share your values, support those schools so that they don't need to cater to every authoritarian whim of Marxists, imperialists, and theocrats, and then demand an end to compulsory funding of the government school system through taxes. Don't leave your kids in the government schools and then express outrage when, in a year of unprecidented media exposure of perverted government school teachers, the government mandates random violations of your childrens' right to privacy.
billrightsSep 28, 2006
Article 4 of the Bill of Rights states:"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall NOT be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, SUPPORTED BY OATH or Affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."It violates the students rights and protects the persons searching from being held accountable to the article above. You cannot search someone just because you have a suspicion they are doing wrong. You have to have proof and a WARRANT issued by a JUDGE. Plain and simple.More rights being taken........
bagman4allSep 30, 2006
My comments must be prefaced by my background: 10 years as a school employee in the Los Angeles area ( concurrently being the location union representative), 3 years as a national union organizer in school districts in US, 15 years as a full-time labor relations rep for Calif State civil service and university employees, an Advanced Arbitration Advocate (certified by AAA), a past chapter President of ACLU of So. Calif. and a life member of the NRA. I am currently an independent consultant/advocate in labor and government affairs. I've made my living for the last 16 years filing grievances and complaints. I am also acutely aware of what kind of charges (baseless or not) made by citizens against public employees (anywhere) do the most damage and require the most time of which to respond. While I am not a licensed attorney, I have been an advocate practicing administrative law before governmental tribunals for the last 16 years. (Enough!)I would recommend that, if any student were confronted with a demand of a strip-search, they refuse to cooperate. It will take some emotional stamina. Don't let them give you that "in loco parentis" BS! If they cite HR 5295 (or whatever the final law will be), a state law or a school district policy, you state that you are refusing to cooperate in an unlawful search. If some school officials are foolhardy enough to try to forcibly strip-search you, identify all the participants for your lawsuit, criminal charges and administrative complaints. Administrative complaints? (1) School Board (2) Child Protective Services (3) State Teachers Licensing Board (4) College/University where the school employee(s) graduated from (5) Any organization, association or agency that granted the employee(s) a certificate (of any kind) (6) local ACLU chapter (7) All local child abuse and child protective in the area (8) the local association and/or union that the employee[s] belong to, even though the national NEA, as opposed to the AFT, endorsed this bill, and finally, (9) your state legislators, Congressional Representatives and U.S. Senators. Make the contacts via certified mail, returned receipt. Next stop? Media! Newspapers, radio, TV and the Internet...Tell the truth and you can use names.However, if the school calls in local law enforcement, the situation takes on a different strategy. Consult a licensed attorney, who specializes in criminal law.Don't meekly accept this legal travesty. If you submit to a strip-search, especially by a school employee who you might see everyday on campus, your remaining school days will prove to be extremely uncomfortable.Good Luck.................