time.com— The California legislature is considering a bill to create a registry of animal abusers. But there might not be enough money to fund it.
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No and the reason why is that you would have PETA people all over the place trying to get people arrested for things that are clearly not animal abuse. For sex offenders, they need a tier system going, meaning Tier1 or level 1 is the most offensive type of abuse (molesting children, etc). Where level 5 could be something tame like being 19 years old man who has a 17 year old girlfriend. Only level 1 or 2 offenders need only report themselves.
How strict and unforgiving do you have to be to punish someone for the rest of his life for getting a blow-job? There are people on the list for that. What about people who object to the draconian nudity laws in some states? It's perfectly legal for a lady to be topless in the entire state of New York, but allow the bottom of a breast (legally any part of the breast below the top of the areole) to be visible in Georgia? You're on the list.Oh, and it's completely illegal in many states to participate in same-sex relationships, oral or anal sex, or use sex toys like dildos. How would you like to be put on the sex registry and not be able to live in a house in the state of Florida because you were caught possessing a vibrator in Alabama?
Biology has shown that people can survive and be entirely healthy on a vegan diet as evidenced in my post. I can make the health argument, the moral argument, the environmental argument... I'll debate this with you all day. Or you can keep saying things about how science says otherwise, when it clearly does not.
"Animals are property... not human beings"...Apparently you've never been through something traumatic only to have your dog curl up next to you for hours and comfort you in a non-judgmental, peaceful, loving way. My couch is property. A creature that God sent to me to bring so much love and joy to my life, not so much. I'm sorry that you've missed this in life. It's truly a gift.
@blqysmg: It's worse than that. I think that it's in California where anybody who's ACCUSED of a sexual crime is put on the list for life, even if they're acquitted.
I'm torn. On one hand, the sex offender registries are all shades of bad idea. People are getting put on the registries when they're really not a danger to anyone, and they're having their lives destroyed because of it. Either the person is too dangerous to function in society, or they're not. If so, keep them in jail. If not, no need for this registry BS.... But with pet abusers, I feel there's another layer to it, which is rescue organizations and pet breeders. These people have no way of knowing, really, the kind of environment an animal is going into when they adopt it out. It's not hard to know all the 'right' answers to the questions put to you. In addition, people who operate pet mills and dog fight rings usually can expect a slap on the wrist at worst, allowing them to disappear into the woodwork and go right back to it. Add to that the very true fact that habitual abusers can escalate to people, and you have a pretty volatile mix. But if a registry -is- made, then I think it's important that it be restricted to people who have a license of some sort to access it, rescue organizations, accredited breeders, law enforcement. It's also important to keep close restrictions on what gets you on the registry, so that its purpose doesn't get grossly corrupted. Which assumes it should happen at all, and I just don't know. I do feel that animal abuse isn't dealt with harshly enough. I don't know if this is the way to deal with it.
Spongya, I tend to agree with askantik only because of evolutionary process. I also agree that if you slaughter an animal because it is your only means for survival that is something entirely different. I am not a vegan because of my eggs, cheese and honey consumption, however, I am a vegetarian (lacto ovo vegetarian) which is both better for my health and better for the environment as a whole. Even if I were to consume poultry, it would STILL be better for the environment and better for animals (at least mammals). I have gone to university and I have studied anatomy and physiology and microbiology. Our digestive tract has evolved over thousands of years and yes we do have extensive microbiota in our digestive tract which is used merely for absorption, not, and I repeat NOT, for digestion. When you eat a steak, it is broken down by enzymes and acid and by the time it reaches your intestines, the bacteria basically offer a piggy back ride to the protein in the meat so that you can benefit from it. It is physiologically MUCH harder for your body to digest animal protein. If you were to eat 6 oz of peanuts, you would digest both the carbohydrates and the protein in those peanuts much quicker and easier than you would a 6 oz steak. Now... if you add in a few microbes your body wasn't suspecting like a little extra e-coli or salmonella, your body is further taxed because, while we have e-coli in our intestines, a sudden influx of the bacteria can set the entire flora off course. If you consume salmonella, and are immuno compromised or recently came off antibiotics and don't have the flora you need, you can get really ill. (This was just a general example, there are many other bacteria, parasites and helminths that can be in the foods you eat.) And while you can get salmonella and e-coli from vegetation, the likelyhood of you getting it from meat is much higher than from vegetables. Also, the e-coli and salmonella contamination is often due the run off from animal farms (it's in the feces) which is a good reason to buy ORGANIC.My reasoning for becoming a vegetarian is complex. I didn't eat pork because pigs are smarter than dogs, and I have seen some pretty smart dogs in my day. I wouldn't eat dog, therefore I won't eat pig. I stopped eating cow because of many reasons, including, but not limited to: the fat content, the antibiotics, the hormones and the risk for Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease. My son no longer eats bovine due to these issues as well. If you eat an infected piece of meat, it will take 20 years for your brain to become mush... and if you are young... that's not a particularly good idea. They are saying there is a rise in the amount of dementia being seen in younger people... like age 40 and up. I can't imagine having dementia at age 40 when I am supposed to be enjoying my life and my child!What askantik has said is true, you can consume a completely plant based diet and be healthy, meat is not necessary for your survival. It does contribute to the health of animals and the planet in general. The less demand for meat, the less slaughter of animals, and the less taxation on our atmosphere. (Huge hole in the ozone layer over New Zealand due in large part to the gigantic sheep population)Plus, as askanik said, the resources that go into production of one piece of meat are 100 times more labor and resource intensive than a couple of cups of peanuts for the same amount of protein. A cow eats enough feed and grazes on enough vegetation to produce x amount of food... whereas, if we just eat the daggone food that the cow is eating, we save ourselves the time and expense of raising the cow!As far as animals are concerned, cows on meat farms are often lead to the slaughter house where they can see and hear their brothers being slaughtered (often inhumanely where they are skinned before they are actually dead) and the bulls are actually screaming and trying to escape before the slaughter. I guarantee if you watch a youtube video containing footage of this, you will never ever eat red meat again. (That was at a kosher farm too... supposedly more humane my arse!)
spacem00seMar 4, 2010
No and the reason why is that you would have PETA people all over the place trying to get people arrested for things that are clearly not animal abuse. For sex offenders, they need a tier system going, meaning Tier1 or level 1 is the most offensive type of abuse (molesting children, etc). Where level 5 could be something tame like being 19 years old man who has a 17 year old girlfriend. Only level 1 or 2 offenders need only report themselves.
absurdistMar 5, 2010
Annoying troll is annoying. Also moderately successful. Like the fly that keeps you awake after midnight.
blqysmgMar 5, 2010
How strict and unforgiving do you have to be to punish someone for the rest of his life for getting a blow-job? There are people on the list for that. What about people who object to the draconian nudity laws in some states? It's perfectly legal for a lady to be topless in the entire state of New York, but allow the bottom of a breast (legally any part of the breast below the top of the areole) to be visible in Georgia? You're on the list.Oh, and it's completely illegal in many states to participate in same-sex relationships, oral or anal sex, or use sex toys like dildos. How would you like to be put on the sex registry and not be able to live in a house in the state of Florida because you were caught possessing a vibrator in Alabama?
askantikMar 5, 2010
Biology has shown that people can survive and be entirely healthy on a vegan diet as evidenced in my post. I can make the health argument, the moral argument, the environmental argument... I'll debate this with you all day. Or you can keep saying things about how science says otherwise, when it clearly does not.
spankypants7Mar 5, 2010
"Animals are property... not human beings"...Apparently you've never been through something traumatic only to have your dog curl up next to you for hours and comfort you in a non-judgmental, peaceful, loving way. My couch is property. A creature that God sent to me to bring so much love and joy to my life, not so much. I'm sorry that you've missed this in life. It's truly a gift.
lonandubhMar 5, 2010
@blqysmg: It's worse than that. I think that it's in California where anybody who's ACCUSED of a sexual crime is put on the list for life, even if they're acquitted.
purplekatMar 6, 2010
I'm torn. On one hand, the sex offender registries are all shades of bad idea. People are getting put on the registries when they're really not a danger to anyone, and they're having their lives destroyed because of it. Either the person is too dangerous to function in society, or they're not. If so, keep them in jail. If not, no need for this registry BS.... But with pet abusers, I feel there's another layer to it, which is rescue organizations and pet breeders. These people have no way of knowing, really, the kind of environment an animal is going into when they adopt it out. It's not hard to know all the 'right' answers to the questions put to you. In addition, people who operate pet mills and dog fight rings usually can expect a slap on the wrist at worst, allowing them to disappear into the woodwork and go right back to it. Add to that the very true fact that habitual abusers can escalate to people, and you have a pretty volatile mix. But if a registry -is- made, then I think it's important that it be restricted to people who have a license of some sort to access it, rescue organizations, accredited breeders, law enforcement. It's also important to keep close restrictions on what gets you on the registry, so that its purpose doesn't get grossly corrupted. Which assumes it should happen at all, and I just don't know. I do feel that animal abuse isn't dealt with harshly enough. I don't know if this is the way to deal with it.
punkybrewster77Mar 7, 2010
Spongya, I tend to agree with askantik only because of evolutionary process. I also agree that if you slaughter an animal because it is your only means for survival that is something entirely different. I am not a vegan because of my eggs, cheese and honey consumption, however, I am a vegetarian (lacto ovo vegetarian) which is both better for my health and better for the environment as a whole. Even if I were to consume poultry, it would STILL be better for the environment and better for animals (at least mammals). I have gone to university and I have studied anatomy and physiology and microbiology. Our digestive tract has evolved over thousands of years and yes we do have extensive microbiota in our digestive tract which is used merely for absorption, not, and I repeat NOT, for digestion. When you eat a steak, it is broken down by enzymes and acid and by the time it reaches your intestines, the bacteria basically offer a piggy back ride to the protein in the meat so that you can benefit from it. It is physiologically MUCH harder for your body to digest animal protein. If you were to eat 6 oz of peanuts, you would digest both the carbohydrates and the protein in those peanuts much quicker and easier than you would a 6 oz steak. Now... if you add in a few microbes your body wasn't suspecting like a little extra e-coli or salmonella, your body is further taxed because, while we have e-coli in our intestines, a sudden influx of the bacteria can set the entire flora off course. If you consume salmonella, and are immuno compromised or recently came off antibiotics and don't have the flora you need, you can get really ill. (This was just a general example, there are many other bacteria, parasites and helminths that can be in the foods you eat.) And while you can get salmonella and e-coli from vegetation, the likelyhood of you getting it from meat is much higher than from vegetables. Also, the e-coli and salmonella contamination is often due the run off from animal farms (it's in the feces) which is a good reason to buy ORGANIC.My reasoning for becoming a vegetarian is complex. I didn't eat pork because pigs are smarter than dogs, and I have seen some pretty smart dogs in my day. I wouldn't eat dog, therefore I won't eat pig. I stopped eating cow because of many reasons, including, but not limited to: the fat content, the antibiotics, the hormones and the risk for Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease. My son no longer eats bovine due to these issues as well. If you eat an infected piece of meat, it will take 20 years for your brain to become mush... and if you are young... that's not a particularly good idea. They are saying there is a rise in the amount of dementia being seen in younger people... like age 40 and up. I can't imagine having dementia at age 40 when I am supposed to be enjoying my life and my child!What askantik has said is true, you can consume a completely plant based diet and be healthy, meat is not necessary for your survival. It does contribute to the health of animals and the planet in general. The less demand for meat, the less slaughter of animals, and the less taxation on our atmosphere. (Huge hole in the ozone layer over New Zealand due in large part to the gigantic sheep population)Plus, as askanik said, the resources that go into production of one piece of meat are 100 times more labor and resource intensive than a couple of cups of peanuts for the same amount of protein. A cow eats enough feed and grazes on enough vegetation to produce x amount of food... whereas, if we just eat the daggone food that the cow is eating, we save ourselves the time and expense of raising the cow!As far as animals are concerned, cows on meat farms are often lead to the slaughter house where they can see and hear their brothers being slaughtered (often inhumanely where they are skinned before they are actually dead) and the bulls are actually screaming and trying to escape before the slaughter. I guarantee if you watch a youtube video containing footage of this, you will never ever eat red meat again. (That was at a kosher farm too... supposedly more humane my arse!)