mail-index.netbsd.org— Christos Zoulas removed sendmail from the NetBSD source tree, after a lot of discussion about its security track-record. Sendmail will remain available from pkgsrc.
May 31, 2006View in Crawl 4
I thought the BSD attitude was to use ancient tools designed in the 1970s and use them religiously as if there had been no progress in the last 25 years. Maybe that's just the UNIX attitude.
I've actually never used Sendmail. The configuration is just too much of a pain. I've been using Postfix since I started running my own mail server serveral years ago and have never had a problem and the configuration is something approaching regular english.
Uh, actually those things are VERY easy to do with postfix and very well documented. You're talking out of your ass. There are a couple 'milter' ways to do it. amavisd-new, mailscanner both work great with Postfix too.Greylisting is also included with Postfix. Don't spout off clueless bulls**t.
I have all of those features. I use QmailToaster, now that's ez!It does all that and more (blocking by extension such as .mp3, Allows delegation of control per domain, SPF, DomainKeys, mailing lists, webmail, vacation auto responding, web based password changes for users, etc.)<a class="user" href="http://www.qmailtoaster.com/">http://www.qmailtoaster.com/</a>* DISCLAIMER: I am also a small contributor to the QmailToaster Project.
Avoid Qmail. Its bugs aren't getting fixed. It's an uncoordinated heap of unmaintained patches, that break each other.There are two killer bugs. 1. Qmail does not test for deliverability until after it has accepted the message into its queue. So it can't 553 against a spammer's dictionary attack. Instead, it pummels some innocent victim that the spammer happened to choose for his envelope-sender. This generates so much backscatter that you will get blocked by AOL and other large domains.2. Qmail does not combine deliveries to more than one RCPT at the same domain. If you have 100 Yahoo.com subscribers on a Mailman list, Qmail will conduct a hundred separate SMTP dialogs to deliver one message. Yahoo and Hotmail will block you for that. A well written and maintained MTA will connect once and do 100 RCPT TOs.There are unconfirmed aftermarket patches for both problems, but they perform extensive rewrites. It's not Qmail any more when they're done. And you have no way of knowing whether the patch you chose for bug #1 will break whatever the patch for #2 wants to do. Most of the patches at Qmail.org are abandoned and unmaintained.I thought "Qmail rocks" when I installed it in '98. Things change.
urusaiJun 1, 2006
I thought the BSD attitude was to use ancient tools designed in the 1970s and use them religiously as if there had been no progress in the last 25 years. Maybe that's just the UNIX attitude.
samduJun 1, 2006
I've actually never used Sendmail. The configuration is just too much of a pain. I've been using Postfix since I started running my own mail server serveral years ago and have never had a problem and the configuration is something approaching regular english.
bbqribsJun 1, 2006
Uh, actually those things are VERY easy to do with postfix and very well documented. You're talking out of your ass. There are a couple 'milter' ways to do it. amavisd-new, mailscanner both work great with Postfix too.Greylisting is also included with Postfix. Don't spout off clueless bulls**t.
kabewmJun 2, 2006
I have all of those features. I use QmailToaster, now that's ez!It does all that and more (blocking by extension such as .mp3, Allows delegation of control per domain, SPF, DomainKeys, mailing lists, webmail, vacation auto responding, web based password changes for users, etc.)<a class="user" href="http://www.qmailtoaster.com/">http://www.qmailtoaster.com/</a>* DISCLAIMER: I am also a small contributor to the QmailToaster Project.
clsgisJun 20, 2006
Avoid Qmail. Its bugs aren't getting fixed. It's an uncoordinated heap of unmaintained patches, that break each other.There are two killer bugs. 1. Qmail does not test for deliverability until after it has accepted the message into its queue. So it can't 553 against a spammer's dictionary attack. Instead, it pummels some innocent victim that the spammer happened to choose for his envelope-sender. This generates so much backscatter that you will get blocked by AOL and other large domains.2. Qmail does not combine deliveries to more than one RCPT at the same domain. If you have 100 Yahoo.com subscribers on a Mailman list, Qmail will conduct a hundred separate SMTP dialogs to deliver one message. Yahoo and Hotmail will block you for that. A well written and maintained MTA will connect once and do 100 RCPT TOs.There are unconfirmed aftermarket patches for both problems, but they perform extensive rewrites. It's not Qmail any more when they're done. And you have no way of knowing whether the patch you chose for bug #1 will break whatever the patch for #2 wants to do. Most of the patches at Qmail.org are abandoned and unmaintained.I thought "Qmail rocks" when I installed it in '98. Things change.