who in their right mind would shop at tigerdirect in the first place? too overpriced for my taste.dugg up anyway though, i hate thuggery of that sort (i.e. rent-a-cops who think they are acting with the authority of god or something.)
This isn't even completely about rights. It has a lot to do with efficiency.I was the selected victim of a "receipt check" at a Walmart one time, and I, of course complied. I mean, why not? Why cause an issue if you have a receipt and can just show it?Well, I'll tell you why. Apparently when the security guard read my receipt, she claimed that I had a product in my bad I did not pay for. She then called for more security, and had me stand aside. I asked for the receipt, but she denied it to me and so I waited. I waited in front of the store for about 5 minutes looking like a douche thief until the managers came over. 10 more minutes passed as the managers asked me about the product that "was not on my receipt". Finally I demanded they show me the receipt, and when they did... low and behold... all the items were accounted for.The idiot security/receipt checker lady had skipped a line or something while reading my receipt, and because of it, I was harassed for 15 minutes.That is why I will never again agree to a "receipt" check.
damn fine and apropos reference!One small change to match the original makes it even more meaningful: "inert" should be "inured"(and yes i see the other misspelling, but i don't want to be a TOTAL correction-nazi now do i?)
$10,000 is a lot for the average person to have spent at a single retailer, or even several retailers over a couple of year period (again, 2 - 4). I spent about $10,000 at CompUSA over a period of three years - as a business owner with a fleet of cars, 30 - 40 employees and multiple workstations to keep running. CompUSA treats me like a f'n king, I don't have to use the check out lines and the people carry my stuff out for me after I sign the little slip of paper, I don't even get a receipt to check in the traditional sense, it only has the total, not an itemized list of purchases.One who could spend that amount on electronics could certainly afford a decent if not good attorney, or at worst they could have spend a little on pre-paid legal services. Most likely it's just a number pulled out from where the sun don't shine and the person has possibly spent a few hundred over the few years on cell phone chargers and X-Box games/controllers.
Wrong!One can detain on reasonable suspicion, arrest on probably cause and convict on proof beyond a reasonable doubt (like the video tape you mentioned).Refusing to show a receipt for a couple of seconds that was just handed to you would be enough "reasonable suspicoon" to warrant further investigation (and detainment). For someone who knew their rights this guy did not know much, your reply similarly shows little actually knowledge of the law.Misinformation will not help anyone here.
You raise a good point regarding "deliberate intent" although if the orginal poster's story would give credibility to that claim. At least in Virginia, if one is to be employed as a "security guard" rather than simply "store personnel" one is required to obtain a permit. As a seurity professional they are required, by law, to know the extent of their detainment and investigative powers. The main reasons have to do with insurance/legal liability, but also as some additional "free money" for the municipal coffers. Nevertheless, this removes "ignorance as a defense". As far as "private citizen detainment" is concerned, I thought those powers were granted only for circumstances where "imminent threat to life or personal property (i.e. someone trying to burn down your house)" was involved. Detainment is merely inhibition of freedom of movement--not arrest. Only sworn law enforcement personnel with explicit "arrest" powers can do that. Open carrying wouldn't necessarily preclude the encounter, but in my personal experience, it tends to immediately place any potential confrontation on a more mutually respectful footing--sad I know. I also "mix things up" as far as open/closed carry is concerned. There are plenty of social circumstances (parties, weddings, funerals, dates) where a visible weapon creates entirely the WRONG tone. You're right about off-duty cops, but I live in Fed-land of Northern Virginia so we lots of 3-letter-agency types (DHS, FBI, CIA, NRO, etc.) who, largely for comfort reasons, choose to open-carry on-duty. There's even regular Open Carry gatherings here (<a class="user" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=FoU7ZpD8OC8).">http://youtube.com/watch?v=FoU7ZpD8OC8).</a>
sekhuiAug 24, 2007
who in their right mind would shop at tigerdirect in the first place? too overpriced for my taste.dugg up anyway though, i hate thuggery of that sort (i.e. rent-a-cops who think they are acting with the authority of god or something.)
sirberusAug 25, 2007
This isn't even completely about rights. It has a lot to do with efficiency.I was the selected victim of a "receipt check" at a Walmart one time, and I, of course complied. I mean, why not? Why cause an issue if you have a receipt and can just show it?Well, I'll tell you why. Apparently when the security guard read my receipt, she claimed that I had a product in my bad I did not pay for. She then called for more security, and had me stand aside. I asked for the receipt, but she denied it to me and so I waited. I waited in front of the store for about 5 minutes looking like a douche thief until the managers came over. 10 more minutes passed as the managers asked me about the product that "was not on my receipt". Finally I demanded they show me the receipt, and when they did... low and behold... all the items were accounted for.The idiot security/receipt checker lady had skipped a line or something while reading my receipt, and because of it, I was harassed for 15 minutes.That is why I will never again agree to a "receipt" check.
tranceAug 25, 2007
damn fine and apropos reference!One small change to match the original makes it even more meaningful: "inert" should be "inured"(and yes i see the other misspelling, but i don't want to be a TOTAL correction-nazi now do i?)
malagentAug 25, 2007
$10,000 is a lot for the average person to have spent at a single retailer, or even several retailers over a couple of year period (again, 2 - 4). I spent about $10,000 at CompUSA over a period of three years - as a business owner with a fleet of cars, 30 - 40 employees and multiple workstations to keep running. CompUSA treats me like a f'n king, I don't have to use the check out lines and the people carry my stuff out for me after I sign the little slip of paper, I don't even get a receipt to check in the traditional sense, it only has the total, not an itemized list of purchases.One who could spend that amount on electronics could certainly afford a decent if not good attorney, or at worst they could have spend a little on pre-paid legal services. Most likely it's just a number pulled out from where the sun don't shine and the person has possibly spent a few hundred over the few years on cell phone chargers and X-Box games/controllers.
malagentAug 25, 2007
Wrong!One can detain on reasonable suspicion, arrest on probably cause and convict on proof beyond a reasonable doubt (like the video tape you mentioned).Refusing to show a receipt for a couple of seconds that was just handed to you would be enough "reasonable suspicoon" to warrant further investigation (and detainment). For someone who knew their rights this guy did not know much, your reply similarly shows little actually knowledge of the law.Misinformation will not help anyone here.
yarsrevengeAug 26, 2007
You raise a good point regarding "deliberate intent" although if the orginal poster's story would give credibility to that claim. At least in Virginia, if one is to be employed as a "security guard" rather than simply "store personnel" one is required to obtain a permit. As a seurity professional they are required, by law, to know the extent of their detainment and investigative powers. The main reasons have to do with insurance/legal liability, but also as some additional "free money" for the municipal coffers. Nevertheless, this removes "ignorance as a defense". As far as "private citizen detainment" is concerned, I thought those powers were granted only for circumstances where "imminent threat to life or personal property (i.e. someone trying to burn down your house)" was involved. Detainment is merely inhibition of freedom of movement--not arrest. Only sworn law enforcement personnel with explicit "arrest" powers can do that. Open carrying wouldn't necessarily preclude the encounter, but in my personal experience, it tends to immediately place any potential confrontation on a more mutually respectful footing--sad I know. I also "mix things up" as far as open/closed carry is concerned. There are plenty of social circumstances (parties, weddings, funerals, dates) where a visible weapon creates entirely the WRONG tone. You're right about off-duty cops, but I live in Fed-land of Northern Virginia so we lots of 3-letter-agency types (DHS, FBI, CIA, NRO, etc.) who, largely for comfort reasons, choose to open-carry on-duty. There's even regular Open Carry gatherings here (<a class="user" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=FoU7ZpD8OC8).">http://youtube.com/watch?v=FoU7ZpD8OC8).</a>
murf1000Aug 29, 2007
I had a similar incident happen to me at a best buy. Except I showed him the receipt, then I went home.
Closed AccountJan 16, 2008
With deals like this its crazy how they stay in business! lol... <a class="user" href="http://digg.com/comedy/An_Offer_You_Can_t_Refuse_Pic_2">http://digg.com/comedy/An_Offer_You_Can_t_Refuse_P ...</a>