telegraph.co.uk— The roots of Islamic fanaticism can be traced to Adolf Hitler's radio messages broadcast around the Arab world during the Second World War, according to a new book.
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Or how about the Neo-Statists obama? He imagines he knows better than the American people, in fact he thinks we should be thanking him.I don't think so.
Islamic Fundamentalism is not about the Jews. Its about imposing Islamic law (sharia) on a population. Making a connection between Hitler and the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt is stupid.
You give too much credit to the Mongols."it would probably be the most advanced civilisation today"A bit of an exaggeration is it not? The Arabs (excluding the Gulf Arabs) and Muslims had the benefit of rich pre-islamic Architecture, Science, Medicine, Astronomy, Literature and History (even though much of it was burned and destroyed), whereas the West had not for the most part. Society was still advancing (in many parts stagnant) at a slower pace than before Mohammed. That's all what separated Christendom from the Caliphate.
I don't mean to imply that Neocons or even terrorists are 'evil' or 'bad' any more than liberals are 'good'. Those are all labels we as people make up and slap on things we agree with or don't. Generally speaking victors in wars are the ones who write the history, and will therefore depict themselves as the heroes in as many situations as they can and neglect to mention things which are too difficult to spin. Bringing savages to civilization, religion to heathens, democracy to people living under a different sort of system, all can be looked at from a variety of positions and could be tagged as 'good' or 'evil' depending on what you think ought to happen.With regards to the Koran, I'm not a Muslim, nor very religious at all, but I take exception to your statement that it 'is regarded as God's universal truth, not open to the interpretation of Men who are fallible'. I think that is misguided, and that any written text could be interpreted in different ways. Constitutions of governments are constantly being looked at in different ways by the different players in politics. Rules in games that have no bearing whatsoever on anything in the tangible world are haggled over and interpreted in different ways. Holy books, too, can be used in this way. One of the reasons for different denominations or sects of a religion are often due to this sort of thing, and if the Koran is regarded as the universal truth of a god, why would be there even be different sects? Wouldn't the book be self explanatory with what every tenant, every aspect of a person's life, ancient or modern, and that the fallible men reading the book would have no ability to ply their own ideas out of it, since the universal truth of it all would be self-evident?Anyway, the documentary is just what this guy, and probably his production crew and assistants, think is a viable trail of thought from early-mid 20th century thinkers to people of today. It's an interesting watch, though I don't intend to say they've got it all figured out and that this is the straight dope, real deal, or universal truth with respect to either movement. ;)
Why would we digg you down for asking whether or not something exists?...By the way, it doesn't. The United States Army has quite a few white supremacists drawing swastikas on Muslim homes and shooting up brown people.
Get it into context. Both world wars, the Islamic world allied itself with Germany. During the second world war, this was to counter the British, who at the time wanted to split Palestine into Israel.
Right, because there's no instances in history of aggressive, militant against Jews perpetrated by Muslims before WWII. It's not their fault, they don't really hate Jews, they were forced into it by the British and manipulated by the Nazis! The evil Europeans forced them to do it, they'd never have hurt a Jew otherwise!How's that white guilt working out for you?
leadoffmanApr 21, 2010
Or how about the Neo-Statists obama? He imagines he knows better than the American people, in fact he thinks we should be thanking him.I don't think so.
nerderApr 21, 2010
Thank you for this. I really didn't feel like having to type out this same response to another idiot on digg.
toowired77Apr 21, 2010
Islamic Fundamentalism is not about the Jews. Its about imposing Islamic law (sharia) on a population. Making a connection between Hitler and the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt is stupid.
sageerrantApr 22, 2010
That's clearly a pepper shaker.
hornyangelApr 22, 2010
And Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were even more evil. How do you quantify evil, anyway?
boocrumpetApr 22, 2010
If we just blame bad things on Hitler, maybe they'll all go away.
reiser99Apr 22, 2010
You give too much credit to the Mongols."it would probably be the most advanced civilisation today"A bit of an exaggeration is it not? The Arabs (excluding the Gulf Arabs) and Muslims had the benefit of rich pre-islamic Architecture, Science, Medicine, Astronomy, Literature and History (even though much of it was burned and destroyed), whereas the West had not for the most part. Society was still advancing (in many parts stagnant) at a slower pace than before Mohammed. That's all what separated Christendom from the Caliphate.
tynictansolApr 22, 2010
I don't mean to imply that Neocons or even terrorists are 'evil' or 'bad' any more than liberals are 'good'. Those are all labels we as people make up and slap on things we agree with or don't. Generally speaking victors in wars are the ones who write the history, and will therefore depict themselves as the heroes in as many situations as they can and neglect to mention things which are too difficult to spin. Bringing savages to civilization, religion to heathens, democracy to people living under a different sort of system, all can be looked at from a variety of positions and could be tagged as 'good' or 'evil' depending on what you think ought to happen.With regards to the Koran, I'm not a Muslim, nor very religious at all, but I take exception to your statement that it 'is regarded as God's universal truth, not open to the interpretation of Men who are fallible'. I think that is misguided, and that any written text could be interpreted in different ways. Constitutions of governments are constantly being looked at in different ways by the different players in politics. Rules in games that have no bearing whatsoever on anything in the tangible world are haggled over and interpreted in different ways. Holy books, too, can be used in this way. One of the reasons for different denominations or sects of a religion are often due to this sort of thing, and if the Koran is regarded as the universal truth of a god, why would be there even be different sects? Wouldn't the book be self explanatory with what every tenant, every aspect of a person's life, ancient or modern, and that the fallible men reading the book would have no ability to ply their own ideas out of it, since the universal truth of it all would be self-evident?Anyway, the documentary is just what this guy, and probably his production crew and assistants, think is a viable trail of thought from early-mid 20th century thinkers to people of today. It's an interesting watch, though I don't intend to say they've got it all figured out and that this is the straight dope, real deal, or universal truth with respect to either movement. ;)
zenmojoApr 23, 2010
Why would we digg you down for asking whether or not something exists?...By the way, it doesn't. The United States Army has quite a few white supremacists drawing swastikas on Muslim homes and shooting up brown people.
psalms83Apr 23, 2010
true even today <a class="user" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLz4T37UQ0g" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLz4T37UQ0g</a><a class="user" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfRO_z79a1g" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfRO_z79a1g</a>Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
phase64Apr 28, 2010
Get it into context. Both world wars, the Islamic world allied itself with Germany. During the second world war, this was to counter the British, who at the time wanted to split Palestine into Israel.
lithdovApr 28, 2010
Right, because there's no instances in history of aggressive, militant against Jews perpetrated by Muslims before WWII. It's not their fault, they don't really hate Jews, they were forced into it by the British and manipulated by the Nazis! The evil Europeans forced them to do it, they'd never have hurt a Jew otherwise!How's that white guilt working out for you?