youtube.com— Congressman Ron Paul asks Petraeus if the Bush Administration has the power to bomb Iran without further congressional approval, demanding a clear and constitutional answer.
Apr 9, 2008View in Crawl 4
Wait, stop right there. Show me where in the Constitution it says dropping bombs is an act of war. Hell, show me their definition of 'act of war'. I'll be waiting.
Horton...you've gone off on a tangent. Your last few posts seem mis-guided. The original topic of this discussion was about Patraeus's answer to Ron Paul's question. Obviously we see this situation differently. You see his response as a legitimate, where some (including me) believe it is lacking in any substance. He just brushed that question off as if it wasn't worth s**t. I personally believe he didn't want to say anything that would bite him in the ass later on. But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do when you are in his ranking...it just seems like we don't have any honest and righteous people at the top anymore
And I would contend that that evasiveness or willful ignorance, by the military, over issues like that will inevitably lead to military dictatorship (unless you have a perfect scheme for making sure someone like Bush never wins an election). It could just as easily have been a question about the meaning of Posse Comitatus that General Petraeus..
More or less, that if people like General Petraeus are ignorant of or unwilling to discuss pertinent laws, that they may be equally disinterested or incapable of complying with those laws. Though the fact that this has occurred over war issues should be of great concern to us, I think many will not understand the ramifications unless the same logic gets applied to Posse Comitatus, under a president as willing to commit abuses at home as Bush is abroad.
Closed AccountApr 11, 2008
That was sweet. Kucinich also had a nice rant against the war on the house floor today. "What are we waiting for?"<a class="user" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=sKWDwg60M6E">http://youtube.com/watch?v=sKWDwg60M6E</a>
hortnonApr 11, 2008
Wait, stop right there. Show me where in the Constitution it says dropping bombs is an act of war. Hell, show me their definition of 'act of war'. I'll be waiting.
jerger23Apr 11, 2008
Thanks! I've filled my Ron Paul Buzzword Bingo card.
pprovo1Apr 13, 2008
Horton...you've gone off on a tangent. Your last few posts seem mis-guided. The original topic of this discussion was about Patraeus's answer to Ron Paul's question. Obviously we see this situation differently. You see his response as a legitimate, where some (including me) believe it is lacking in any substance. He just brushed that question off as if it wasn't worth s**t. I personally believe he didn't want to say anything that would bite him in the ass later on. But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do when you are in his ranking...it just seems like we don't have any honest and righteous people at the top anymore
luapronApr 14, 2008
And I would contend that that evasiveness or willful ignorance, by the military, over issues like that will inevitably lead to military dictatorship (unless you have a perfect scheme for making sure someone like Bush never wins an election). It could just as easily have been a question about the meaning of Posse Comitatus that General Petraeus..
hortnonApr 14, 2008
I think your comment got cut off
luapronApr 14, 2008
More or less, that if people like General Petraeus are ignorant of or unwilling to discuss pertinent laws, that they may be equally disinterested or incapable of complying with those laws. Though the fact that this has occurred over war issues should be of great concern to us, I think many will not understand the ramifications unless the same logic gets applied to Posse Comitatus, under a president as willing to commit abuses at home as Bush is abroad.