realclimate.org— A look at the October temperature record error that conspiracy theorists are using claim that people enjoy global warming out of a "desire" to implement Hitler-like legislation... from a scientist involved in the climate field.
Nov 16, 2008View in Crawl 4
@Monoa - so what you are saying is that you must be right because more people agree with you? You do realize that is neither scientifically or logically correct, don't you?This statement though is highly amusing to me:"What isn't OK is that, despite your ignorance, you reject what climate scientists have been telling you for decades."Given that a few decades ago, climate scientists were telling me the world was on the edge of a new ice age and it was global freezing that was the problem. Which time was I supposed to believe them? A couple of decades ago or now? Or in 15 years when they have changed again? And which scientists? The ones that agree with you or the ones that state that global warming is not caused by human activity? Your post assumes that all climate scientists are in agreement. If that were the case, we would not be having this discussion. As there are two schools of thought, I must inform myself from both and decide which side I feel has the better argument in favor of it. You are correct that I am not a climate scientist myself. Therefore I must do the best that I can with the arguments presented before me.You and I obviously disagree. No problem. Your word is not enough to sway my mind. Why should it be? And unlike you, I do not feel a need to denigrate those who disagree with me but give you the respect of assuming you have thought it through as well. I am a denier in the sense that I deny that it is man made, but I am not an idiot or a conspiracy wingnut. Your statements are unfounded and offensive and do nothing to support your argument. Numbers do not drive reality. 99% of people can agree on one thing and still be wrong. What is it to me that these groups agree? I am more interested in their science and the science of their opponents than I am in the numbers. Given the science, I believe that they are wrong. I am open to being shown otherwise, but have seen nothing recently to make me change my mind.
People digging down my comment, please explain how this is not a valid point instead of just randomly burying my comment. I don't see how you can bury a request for good scientific practice.
"The Swindle" is such an epic fraud it took 176 pages to document all of the distortions and errors. My favourite part of "The Swindle" is Ball identified to be in a Dept that never existed with a degree that his alma mater University never offered - classic Denier 'facts'.<a class="user" href="http://debunking.pbwiki.com/The-Swindle">http://debunking.pbwiki.com/The-Swindle</a>
"I'm saying that elite have targeted other humans as the enemy. They are saying all this to prep you for a one world religion. The worship of mother earth."reducing pollution or our negative impact on the ecosystems for OUR f**kING SURVIVAL is NOT creating a religioni dont believe anything that club of rome says or any of that bulls**t. i believe in national sovereignty, freedom and democracy. but i also believe in making sure there is accountability in our actions and the actions of others. one can not just dump toxic waste into the river and call everyone who complains about it fascists or that there is a world wide conspiracy. like wise with ghg, there evidence that its having an affect. reducing that does NOT equate to a control of your life or trying to make you "worship nature", thats complete bulls**t. its not trying to create communism or crush capitalism, again complete bulls**t. just like reducing chemicals that cause acid rain was not "crushing capitalism", neither is this. its important to maintain the places we live and make sure that no one person or one groups actions jeopardize others or limit their freedoms and rights. PLEASE understand this. im not for every policy nor do i support every group that supports limiting some of these things. i believe it should be rational and as only as limiting as it needs to be. we still need to be free and democratic, thats an imperative.
Clones immune to bird flu, that is the solution.Just waiting for some faction to release the problem.Reaction will be to justify immune human cloning to sustain life.Load up bogus KBR vaccinations with bird flu and invest in body bags and put of KBR study that blames China for outbreak.
pennfarmerNov 17, 2008
@Monoa - so what you are saying is that you must be right because more people agree with you? You do realize that is neither scientifically or logically correct, don't you?This statement though is highly amusing to me:"What isn't OK is that, despite your ignorance, you reject what climate scientists have been telling you for decades."Given that a few decades ago, climate scientists were telling me the world was on the edge of a new ice age and it was global freezing that was the problem. Which time was I supposed to believe them? A couple of decades ago or now? Or in 15 years when they have changed again? And which scientists? The ones that agree with you or the ones that state that global warming is not caused by human activity? Your post assumes that all climate scientists are in agreement. If that were the case, we would not be having this discussion. As there are two schools of thought, I must inform myself from both and decide which side I feel has the better argument in favor of it. You are correct that I am not a climate scientist myself. Therefore I must do the best that I can with the arguments presented before me.You and I obviously disagree. No problem. Your word is not enough to sway my mind. Why should it be? And unlike you, I do not feel a need to denigrate those who disagree with me but give you the respect of assuming you have thought it through as well. I am a denier in the sense that I deny that it is man made, but I am not an idiot or a conspiracy wingnut. Your statements are unfounded and offensive and do nothing to support your argument. Numbers do not drive reality. 99% of people can agree on one thing and still be wrong. What is it to me that these groups agree? I am more interested in their science and the science of their opponents than I am in the numbers. Given the science, I believe that they are wrong. I am open to being shown otherwise, but have seen nothing recently to make me change my mind.
jpate86Nov 17, 2008
People digging down my comment, please explain how this is not a valid point instead of just randomly burying my comment. I don't see how you can bury a request for good scientific practice.
greenfyreNov 17, 2008
"The Swindle" is such an epic fraud it took 176 pages to document all of the distortions and errors. My favourite part of "The Swindle" is Ball identified to be in a Dept that never existed with a degree that his alma mater University never offered - classic Denier 'facts'.<a class="user" href="http://debunking.pbwiki.com/The-Swindle">http://debunking.pbwiki.com/The-Swindle</a>
garychalmersNov 17, 2008
Reality or not, the fact is that 99.99999999% of Diggers talk out of their ass when discussing global warming and should just shut the f**k up.
thedinomeisterNov 18, 2008
GAVIN SCHMIDT IS A MORON.
wunkstaNov 18, 2008
"I'm saying that elite have targeted other humans as the enemy. They are saying all this to prep you for a one world religion. The worship of mother earth."reducing pollution or our negative impact on the ecosystems for OUR f**kING SURVIVAL is NOT creating a religioni dont believe anything that club of rome says or any of that bulls**t. i believe in national sovereignty, freedom and democracy. but i also believe in making sure there is accountability in our actions and the actions of others. one can not just dump toxic waste into the river and call everyone who complains about it fascists or that there is a world wide conspiracy. like wise with ghg, there evidence that its having an affect. reducing that does NOT equate to a control of your life or trying to make you "worship nature", thats complete bulls**t. its not trying to create communism or crush capitalism, again complete bulls**t. just like reducing chemicals that cause acid rain was not "crushing capitalism", neither is this. its important to maintain the places we live and make sure that no one person or one groups actions jeopardize others or limit their freedoms and rights. PLEASE understand this. im not for every policy nor do i support every group that supports limiting some of these things. i believe it should be rational and as only as limiting as it needs to be. we still need to be free and democratic, thats an imperative.
Closed AccountNov 20, 2008
Clones immune to bird flu, that is the solution.Just waiting for some faction to release the problem.Reaction will be to justify immune human cloning to sustain life.Load up bogus KBR vaccinations with bird flu and invest in body bags and put of KBR study that blames China for outbreak.
greenfyreNov 23, 2008
"The majority of your links are pretty useless"How ... state specifically why and how?