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BTW in black it looks like they took the PS2 and made it bigger.

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uh not exactly true ( to the person above me) yah you can enjoy staring at your ipod, but you have to purchase music (you can do it illegally, but thats not the point) to really enjoy it, then you have to buy a power adapter to charge it iwith the wall, than a car adapter to listen to it on the go, than a case to protect the easily scratched surface... the list goes on. do you even own an ipod?

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you know.. I've NEVER bought/owned a single Sony Playstation in my life.. and now this seals it for life..I rather spend this kind of money upgrading my PC or get 5 new Nintendo Wii's.

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this wont matter to you guys in the US but $499 is a stretch, 499euros (yes that's a whopping 635 of your American dollars) for the very same system is truly a rip off.Stuff it!

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Il just keep my good old playstation2 for now (3 more years) ha!

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Ok so its a bit expensive, but the same people who bitch and moan about the price of the ps3 are the same ones that bitch and moan that the high end macs cost to much money. Ok people here is the thing, you get what you pay for, I paid almost $3000 for my G5 before I maxed out the ram ( which was another $2000)if I have to pay $500 + canadian to get a ps3 to play MGS 4 and devil may cry 4 I don't care. There are just as many people out there that will pay for it as won't, oh and remember that the ps3 is completely backwards compatible ( can microsoft say that) and that sony has designed the ps3 with the idea in mind that they won't make another brand new console fo a few more years, while microsoft is the company that used the technology of the failed G5 apple laptop to build a gaming console ( with a processor that is being phased out by apple) I bet the PS3 does much better than people are expecting, and hell besides apple is making bluray standard in the next year or so, which means I'll just have 2 players, its a smart movie to get the bluray into homes in a way that microsoft could've got their next gen player in but didn't.

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thank you

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read this post first then the one above it, wont make sense otherwise! as i posted themthe worng way! sorry!Hello all,I've been following this discussion for quite some time now,even though this has nothing to do with the topic at all im just clearing things up.First a bit on my background.I have done an education for computer sciences with a major in 3D graphics development, and I am now working for my PhD.Since this is so, I have worked quite a bit with hardware in terms of programming and graphics creation.Let me warn all of you, sony is overhyping it's product once again, like they have done before.And I am amazed to see how biased several of the webpages and magazines are.They all try to downsize Xeon and Xenon technology, but with the arguments and testcases that most of these sources come up with , Cell and RSX will often come out way worse, yet that's a thing they do not show us of course.Many people don't seem to grasp that ATI's Xenon truly is a revolution in terms of pipeline architecture.Unlike the RSX the Xenon is truly next gen,Xenon revolutionizes powermanagement within it's core, so it doesn't need all the mhz's to create a massive output.The unified shader architecture also gives developers way more playground, and the Xbox 360 will certainly be able to incorperate more ways of instruction for creating and rendering the graphics on screen.The RSX on the other hand will have it's massive clockspeed, but it will use it in a less efficient way.Anyway, with the specs of both consoles now fully released it is possible to do a REAL TIME comparinson of the 2 consoles,your about to see what most of the sony representetives didnt want you to see.Comparing these two GPU's is like comparing Apples to Banana's.RSX on paper will have certain advantages over Xenon, and Xenon will have certain advantages over RSX.There is the element of co-operation with the CPU we also have to consider.Ok, lets put up the specs for the RSX as published.- 550 Mhz- 51 billion dot products/sec count's for total system performance- 300 Million Transistors- 136 shader operations per clockgood now that's for the facts as presented to us, we have 550 MHz of power to work withThe Cell and the RSX together are capable to produce 51 billion dot products.I think it is interesting to take a closer look at this claim especially, since I worked with this bit while the specs of both consoles first became public, the important thing is that mnay people just compare the seperate peices of each console to PS fanboys and PS3 no-it-alls it will be music to there ears, but to us who know about comoputers and know how to compare them,ill tell you one thing, sony has lost alot of its credibility.Now read the comment above this, so it can make sense !

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well they say its gonna be 600$/?400.00 but thats not including internet prices,disk trays games internet game downloads detachable hard drives (rip off if u ask me) i used to like tekken 3 and c and c 4 psone

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The price of the PS3 may rank a little high and indeed Sony will have a hard time winning this next-generation of console wars. However the PS3 even with its high-price tag (which is understandable due to the architecture it has; a 3.2 Ghz multicore processor, Blu-ray format, and it may come with a Linux distro (or in any case there's YellowDog Linux 5 for it, which technically make this a full blown PC) is definetely the best choice.The Wii may be the less expensive, but it is too infantile and limited. The Nintendo experiment of building motion-detection in the controller may not fare so well, as gamers prefer to be sitting down or laying down in front of the TV like the lazy bastards we are. We don't like moving around stupidly in front of the TV like if we were prostitutes on epileptic attacks.In comparison to the 360, there's the Micro$oft issue, for a slightly smaller price tag you get a considerably inferior piece of generic engineering that's unstable and poorly developed. The original Xbox with an architecture twice as powerful as the PS2 could barely surpass the PS2 (in a very slight manner), so this time around the 360 has no chance whatsoever. When photo-realistic 80GB Blu-Ray games come for the PS3 and use the full potential of latter generation OpenGL rendering, the 360 will be nowhere to be seen.

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