zdnet.com.au— Some Linux fanatics just give the wider community a bad name -- this company switched from Red Hat to Oracle Linux and had random callers label them idiots! A fair call, or Linux zealotry gone nuts?
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I think the people who did the calling in are "more idiot" than the people switching. There are risk involved. However, with open source and Oracle has all the source to Linux, I don't see how it's risky. All it means is switching support vendors. Their argument could be that Red Hat is better in support than Oracle, and switch support is risky for business. But for half the price and they probably factor all these in before making their decision, I don't see much risk here. Also, as some people already pointed out, if waiting for Oracle service to be proven, there won't be any early adopter. So, it's like calling early adopters idiots. They take risk, but also get bigger reward if succeeded.I think some of these Linux fans are jealous and fear of the change, where big companies start to embrace and know how to make money out of Linux. These jealous fans were once the front runners, but now start to show their age in thinking and become an outdated group.
ya id agree they are idiotsoracle is unproven, they are just re-wrapping someone elses code putting their name on it, that lame jackassesthe worst part is they have no experience with putting out a distro, they repeatedly insult redhat, whos been doing it for what? 10 years or more?anyway they talk s**t, and cant back it up, (or havent yet) i wouldnt trust them, screw oracle
In so far as to relate my own experience of how crap Unbreakable (or as my father-in-law calls it, Breakable Linux) is and that this is likely a not-so-wise decision on this companies behalf, when there are far better distributions that don't charge you for everything, including updates.People calling in to tell them they are idiots is a bit out of hand tho.
Maybe people didn't read the article but many of the decisions were not based on the software but were based on business needs. They seem to think that Oracle does business better than RH. It also sounds like they were not impressed with RH support and like Oracle support much better. Again a business decision.
ok, linux fanatics aren't the most cordial bunch, but I dont see any need for an "Oracle" distro"Another benefit was to have only one support team."I've been doing this for a long time, and there can be a lot of finger pointing between support teams," said Coggins. "Now we have the same support group the whole way through.""please... sounds like a bean counter's rationale, not anything a system administrator would say.Among other things, I support Sun apps, on Solaris, on Sun hardware for years and I have not yet been in a situation where I wanted to say "thank god everything is Sun so there is no finger pointing". Sun's support going downhill over the years, aside, if there was ever an opportunity to blow smoke at me than each support group, hardware, os, application would find a way to blame the other.I dont think thats a Sun thing, I think thats a typical bureaucracy thing as I also see that tendency at the office...Looking for the one phone call to support sounds like fools gold only a middle manager would fall for.
If these "zealots" made as many phone calls to companies that use windows as an enterprise platform, then they could at least be labeled equal opportunity ass clowns. I seriously doubt that happened, so they are cannibalistic ass clowns, going for the throat of "kindred spirits" essentially - which makes little sense to me personally.I mean seriously... we have to measure our victories carefully here guys. At least the company WENT with Linux. I'd see more reason to lam-bast people deciding to use Novell's offerings. AFAIK there is no reason to get harsh on Oracle, they are not making deals that come close to violating the GPL in ambiguous ways. They're just giving Red Hat some competition.
Well put!One thing I notice about the Linux community zealots (not normal Linux users, but the fringe zealots) is that when things don't go their way 100 percent, they go off in a corner and cry like a baby.IOW they seem unwilling to compromise at all.It has to all what they want in full, or they start the boycott sites running.
moducApr 2, 2007
I think the people who did the calling in are "more idiot" than the people switching. There are risk involved. However, with open source and Oracle has all the source to Linux, I don't see how it's risky. All it means is switching support vendors. Their argument could be that Red Hat is better in support than Oracle, and switch support is risky for business. But for half the price and they probably factor all these in before making their decision, I don't see much risk here. Also, as some people already pointed out, if waiting for Oracle service to be proven, there won't be any early adopter. So, it's like calling early adopters idiots. They take risk, but also get bigger reward if succeeded.I think some of these Linux fans are jealous and fear of the change, where big companies start to embrace and know how to make money out of Linux. These jealous fans were once the front runners, but now start to show their age in thinking and become an outdated group.
Closed AccountApr 2, 2007
ya id agree they are idiotsoracle is unproven, they are just re-wrapping someone elses code putting their name on it, that lame jackassesthe worst part is they have no experience with putting out a distro, they repeatedly insult redhat, whos been doing it for what? 10 years or more?anyway they talk s**t, and cant back it up, (or havent yet) i wouldnt trust them, screw oracle
bluntarskiApr 2, 2007
What does your father in law using ubuntu have to do with what this company does?
jellygraphApr 2, 2007
In so far as to relate my own experience of how crap Unbreakable (or as my father-in-law calls it, Breakable Linux) is and that this is likely a not-so-wise decision on this companies behalf, when there are far better distributions that don't charge you for everything, including updates.People calling in to tell them they are idiots is a bit out of hand tho.
theeggmanApr 2, 2007
Maybe people didn't read the article but many of the decisions were not based on the software but were based on business needs. They seem to think that Oracle does business better than RH. It also sounds like they were not impressed with RH support and like Oracle support much better. Again a business decision.
sidhatraApr 2, 2007
ok, linux fanatics aren't the most cordial bunch, but I dont see any need for an "Oracle" distro"Another benefit was to have only one support team."I've been doing this for a long time, and there can be a lot of finger pointing between support teams," said Coggins. "Now we have the same support group the whole way through.""please... sounds like a bean counter's rationale, not anything a system administrator would say.Among other things, I support Sun apps, on Solaris, on Sun hardware for years and I have not yet been in a situation where I wanted to say "thank god everything is Sun so there is no finger pointing". Sun's support going downhill over the years, aside, if there was ever an opportunity to blow smoke at me than each support group, hardware, os, application would find a way to blame the other.I dont think thats a Sun thing, I think thats a typical bureaucracy thing as I also see that tendency at the office...Looking for the one phone call to support sounds like fools gold only a middle manager would fall for.
dgh1973Apr 2, 2007
If these "zealots" made as many phone calls to companies that use windows as an enterprise platform, then they could at least be labeled equal opportunity ass clowns. I seriously doubt that happened, so they are cannibalistic ass clowns, going for the throat of "kindred spirits" essentially - which makes little sense to me personally.I mean seriously... we have to measure our victories carefully here guys. At least the company WENT with Linux. I'd see more reason to lam-bast people deciding to use Novell's offerings. AFAIK there is no reason to get harsh on Oracle, they are not making deals that come close to violating the GPL in ambiguous ways. They're just giving Red Hat some competition.
cantormathApr 2, 2007
We should focus more on just getting people using linux, idiot or not.
flatfishApr 3, 2007
Well put!One thing I notice about the Linux community zealots (not normal Linux users, but the fringe zealots) is that when things don't go their way 100 percent, they go off in a corner and cry like a baby.IOW they seem unwilling to compromise at all.It has to all what they want in full, or they start the boycott sites running.
michelroseMay 7, 2007
Perfect! It makes me bored.
alexhuyalegzzMay 7, 2007
Doubtful info... =rubbish. I'd better go and drink some vodka
demizuMay 21, 2007
Impossible! I'd better go and sleep instead of reading THIS
kraigdaemonMay 21, 2007
Well... Is anyone able to open this link?