antitrust.slated.org— Microsoft: "ClarisWorks - Our biggest competitor. We should remove all reasons anybody might have for sticking with this product rather than upgrade to Office. What features do we need to steal?"
Mar 26, 2007View in Crawl 4
This is well understood. But the Digg-Apple fanboys have this odd notion that Apple is the sole "innovator" in the technology field. That every other Tech. company simply steals Apple's Design, UI, Technology, Standards, Icon-colour-glossy-border-themes whatever.You'll be hard pressed to explain that all Technology companies innovate. And they all steal. The crux of the 'innovation' game is how much revolution can you innovate yourself while keeping with competitor's evolutionary changes.For instance, witness the reactions the Digg-Apple-fanboys have to the touchscreen on the apple phone. You'd think apple invented touchscreen smartphones. multi-touch -- while arguably not apppearing before on a smartphone -- is a well developed and deployed technology in other fields, anyone sufficiently informed knows this. But digg-apple-fanboys willfully choose to ignore this and bleet on about the wonder-that-is-apple.MS wanting to analyze its competitor is no more 'stealing' than Apple putting USB ports on its computers because they were ubiquitous on PCs.
@demonsofgoetia"How many companies have been ruled a Monopoly?"I was commenting on the content of the email in question - not the whole picture. And in any other company this email wouldn't be grounds for people to say OMG what an evil empire they are!"OK I'm ready to be buried for this""Reverse psychology? LOL These "I'm sure I'll be dugg down for this" or "mod me down but" type of disclaimers are really getting old. Should a person, any person, feel their post may be dugg down, perhaps they should either devote some time to fact finding and good information or abstain from posting without a disclaimer."No - not reverse psychology at all - just a nod to the fact that on Digg accurate comments do not necessarily equal popular comments. "Should a person, any person, feel their post may be dugg down..."So we should only post comments and say things that we think will be popular? Read some world history and then tell me if thats a good idea.
@Malcx:"I was commenting on the content of the email in question - not the whole picture."A question was asked in the top post:"but isn't the content of that email the same as you would find in almost any company?"To which I pointed out that a convicted monopoly, IMO, isn't just any company."So we should only post comments and say things that we think will be popular?"You quoted from a paragraph of mine, so let's take in that paragraph and examine the contents as a whole for proper context, I wrote:"These "I'm sure I'll be dugg down for this" or "mod me down but" type of disclaimers are really getting old. Should a person, any person, feel their post may be dugg down, perhaps they should either devote some time to fact finding and good information or abstain from posting without a disclaimer."The answer is within the paragraph, which is why it was written as a paragraph and not a lone sentence. Context, this much is covered in basic reading comprehension classes."Read some world history and then tell me if thats a good idea."How amusing, I just got through telling someone else in a previous comment to read some world history, I'm glad to see my fan club is rising. Again, should you wish to reply to my posts again in the future, please take note of context before replying. IMO One who feeds the reader with facts enlightens them, those who seek to sway with disclaimers in the hopes of a better post score merely entertains them and their own ego.
evildudetxMar 26, 2007
I agree completely. This is standard operating procedure at almost every company I've worked for.
phocion55Mar 26, 2007
Couldn't you just find a more tactful phrase to use than "We need to steal...." ?
wageslavenMar 26, 2007
This is well understood. But the Digg-Apple fanboys have this odd notion that Apple is the sole "innovator" in the technology field. That every other Tech. company simply steals Apple's Design, UI, Technology, Standards, Icon-colour-glossy-border-themes whatever.You'll be hard pressed to explain that all Technology companies innovate. And they all steal. The crux of the 'innovation' game is how much revolution can you innovate yourself while keeping with competitor's evolutionary changes.For instance, witness the reactions the Digg-Apple-fanboys have to the touchscreen on the apple phone. You'd think apple invented touchscreen smartphones. multi-touch -- while arguably not apppearing before on a smartphone -- is a well developed and deployed technology in other fields, anyone sufficiently informed knows this. But digg-apple-fanboys willfully choose to ignore this and bleet on about the wonder-that-is-apple.MS wanting to analyze its competitor is no more 'stealing' than Apple putting USB ports on its computers because they were ubiquitous on PCs.
malcxMar 27, 2007
@demonsofgoetia"How many companies have been ruled a Monopoly?"I was commenting on the content of the email in question - not the whole picture. And in any other company this email wouldn't be grounds for people to say OMG what an evil empire they are!"OK I'm ready to be buried for this""Reverse psychology? LOL These "I'm sure I'll be dugg down for this" or "mod me down but" type of disclaimers are really getting old. Should a person, any person, feel their post may be dugg down, perhaps they should either devote some time to fact finding and good information or abstain from posting without a disclaimer."No - not reverse psychology at all - just a nod to the fact that on Digg accurate comments do not necessarily equal popular comments. "Should a person, any person, feel their post may be dugg down..."So we should only post comments and say things that we think will be popular? Read some world history and then tell me if thats a good idea.
naio21Mar 27, 2007
schestowitz - the FUDMeister - strikes again. Buried as Lies, Goddamned Lies.
demonsofgoetiaMar 28, 2007
@Malcx:"I was commenting on the content of the email in question - not the whole picture."A question was asked in the top post:"but isn't the content of that email the same as you would find in almost any company?"To which I pointed out that a convicted monopoly, IMO, isn't just any company."So we should only post comments and say things that we think will be popular?"You quoted from a paragraph of mine, so let's take in that paragraph and examine the contents as a whole for proper context, I wrote:"These "I'm sure I'll be dugg down for this" or "mod me down but" type of disclaimers are really getting old. Should a person, any person, feel their post may be dugg down, perhaps they should either devote some time to fact finding and good information or abstain from posting without a disclaimer."The answer is within the paragraph, which is why it was written as a paragraph and not a lone sentence. Context, this much is covered in basic reading comprehension classes."Read some world history and then tell me if thats a good idea."How amusing, I just got through telling someone else in a previous comment to read some world history, I'm glad to see my fan club is rising. Again, should you wish to reply to my posts again in the future, please take note of context before replying. IMO One who feeds the reader with facts enlightens them, those who seek to sway with disclaimers in the hopes of a better post score merely entertains them and their own ego.