@NeoPaladin394"Lets say we grab the windows user who has no clue about security and magically convert them to OSX. This argument would hold for any and all O/S's and hardware out there, but for the sake of context of this article, let's say OSX. The user has now been using OSX for their entire life. They have the same bad habits, the same lack of security, and the same disregard for improving either. Would OSX not eventually have its own problems? And is this because the script kiddies of today are more focused on other OS's, or is it truly because it's rock solid and secure? These are the questions that I would want answered to my complete satisfaction before I would recommend a single OSX machine be installed in any of my family members' houses."It would, but the neutral state of the problems you can get from bad habits in OSX are a lot less right now. ;-) Same with the number of ways in which OSX can fail confusingly. And the ability to back up your system and get things right back to normal after a critical failure like your hard drive are much easier, and easily accomplishable from the same sorts of folks. That's mainly why I recommend it to people who don't need high-performance Windows use. (To wit... gamers. ;-) ) Heck, I've even started to recommend it to people who ONLY play WoW. Heh...It is most certain that OSX and Linux and Unix are built more solidly than Windows from a security standpoint from the ground up. It's nothing that you can't work around in the Windows realm (and of course, as with your case, if someone who knows what they're doing takes care of much of the setup and maintenance, there isn't much fear), but by default and in general there is simply more that people can DO to muck up and and infect Windows and propagate the issue. Even if much of that DOES come from Windows' much higher market share, it still means that any smaller player--provided they are a stable and robust platform--is that much less problematic. OSX being very intuitite and easy to use on top of that... Yet more reasons I recommend it to people....and my recommendations come with professional emphasis, because it means they're really NOT coming back to my repair shop for service any time soon. ;-)
iWork is a lot more than mere trial software though - even when the trial expires it acts as a viewer for Pages and Keynote documents, just like the Word viewer that you can download from Microsoft. That means if you make a document in Pages you know that you'll be able to at least read it on any mac in the native file format.Compare that with an AOL trial on your desktop...
> How many icons are on the desktop of OS X when you first turn on a new Mac?> One; the harddrive!Because, if I remember correctly, all the MS Office trials are in the dock. The OS X paradigm is to place all the application icons in the dock, the desktop is for minding your documents.
I'm running 10.4.9 (machine came with 10.3.x,) doing a quick check:System Folder: 1.87 GBLibrary Folder 5.34 GBHowever looking in Library/Application Support, there's about 2.4 gigs of stuff from things I installed (Adobe & Macromedia apps) or arguably not part of the OS (Garage Band alone has 1.82 GB in support files.) So we're now at about 4.8 GB.Then there's the apps that could be considered an extended part of the OS (Utilities folder, Automator, Quicktime player, etc) but there's also other stuff from the Library folder which I probably missed when I came up with the figure of 2.4 GB of non-OS files above, so I'll assume they cancel each other out.My new Vista machine had me make restore discs first thing, that took up just over 1 DVD. I figure that includes things like MS Works, all those Wild Tangent games, Norton, etc. I don't know if the data on those restore discs are compressed.What does that mean? I don't know, I may have just wasted my time on a thinking experiment with no conclusion...
^ Maybe little overreacting there, but ok.Anyway, I probably didn't listen carefully enough, as I thought they meant that "PC" had downloaded a bunch of shareware which later slowed down his system, but "Mac" didn't have to download any sharewares as all the applications he needed were already preinstalled. Sorry for that.
Well, if I remember correctly Microsoft Office isn't even fully installed on the Mac. What you get is only an actual installer for the trail software, so you can just drag the whole folder to the trash can directly.
cthellisApr 14, 2007
@NeoPaladin394"Lets say we grab the windows user who has no clue about security and magically convert them to OSX. This argument would hold for any and all O/S's and hardware out there, but for the sake of context of this article, let's say OSX. The user has now been using OSX for their entire life. They have the same bad habits, the same lack of security, and the same disregard for improving either. Would OSX not eventually have its own problems? And is this because the script kiddies of today are more focused on other OS's, or is it truly because it's rock solid and secure? These are the questions that I would want answered to my complete satisfaction before I would recommend a single OSX machine be installed in any of my family members' houses."It would, but the neutral state of the problems you can get from bad habits in OSX are a lot less right now. ;-) Same with the number of ways in which OSX can fail confusingly. And the ability to back up your system and get things right back to normal after a critical failure like your hard drive are much easier, and easily accomplishable from the same sorts of folks. That's mainly why I recommend it to people who don't need high-performance Windows use. (To wit... gamers. ;-) ) Heck, I've even started to recommend it to people who ONLY play WoW. Heh...It is most certain that OSX and Linux and Unix are built more solidly than Windows from a security standpoint from the ground up. It's nothing that you can't work around in the Windows realm (and of course, as with your case, if someone who knows what they're doing takes care of much of the setup and maintenance, there isn't much fear), but by default and in general there is simply more that people can DO to muck up and and infect Windows and propagate the issue. Even if much of that DOES come from Windows' much higher market share, it still means that any smaller player--provided they are a stable and robust platform--is that much less problematic. OSX being very intuitite and easy to use on top of that... Yet more reasons I recommend it to people....and my recommendations come with professional emphasis, because it means they're really NOT coming back to my repair shop for service any time soon. ;-)
quixApr 15, 2007
"Seriously, how bent out of shape do you have to be to only be an INVERSE fanboy?"Ask flag564...
superkendallApr 15, 2007
iWork is a lot more than mere trial software though - even when the trial expires it acts as a viewer for Pages and Keynote documents, just like the Word viewer that you can download from Microsoft. That means if you make a document in Pages you know that you'll be able to at least read it on any mac in the native file format.Compare that with an AOL trial on your desktop...
ggkoApr 15, 2007
> How many icons are on the desktop of OS X when you first turn on a new Mac?> One; the harddrive!Because, if I remember correctly, all the MS Office trials are in the dock. The OS X paradigm is to place all the application icons in the dock, the desktop is for minding your documents.
ggkoApr 15, 2007
I'm running 10.4.9 (machine came with 10.3.x,) doing a quick check:System Folder: 1.87 GBLibrary Folder 5.34 GBHowever looking in Library/Application Support, there's about 2.4 gigs of stuff from things I installed (Adobe & Macromedia apps) or arguably not part of the OS (Garage Band alone has 1.82 GB in support files.) So we're now at about 4.8 GB.Then there's the apps that could be considered an extended part of the OS (Utilities folder, Automator, Quicktime player, etc) but there's also other stuff from the Library folder which I probably missed when I came up with the figure of 2.4 GB of non-OS files above, so I'll assume they cancel each other out.My new Vista machine had me make restore discs first thing, that took up just over 1 DVD. I figure that includes things like MS Works, all those Wild Tangent games, Norton, etc. I don't know if the data on those restore discs are compressed.What does that mean? I don't know, I may have just wasted my time on a thinking experiment with no conclusion...
radanApr 15, 2007
^ Maybe little overreacting there, but ok.Anyway, I probably didn't listen carefully enough, as I thought they meant that "PC" had downloaded a bunch of shareware which later slowed down his system, but "Mac" didn't have to download any sharewares as all the applications he needed were already preinstalled. Sorry for that.
radanApr 15, 2007
Well, if I remember correctly Microsoft Office isn't even fully installed on the Mac. What you get is only an actual installer for the trail software, so you can just drag the whole folder to the trash can directly.
thekinginyellowApr 17, 2007
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asicsApr 26, 2007
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