techon.nikkeibp.co.jp — Genepax Co Ltd explained the technologies used in its new fuel cell system "Water Energy System (WES)," which uses water as a fuel and does not emit CO2. The system can generate power just by supplying water and air to the fuel and air electrodes, respectively, the company said at the press conference, which took place June 12, 2008, at the Osaka A
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Powered by air and water? The first thing I thought of was "vapor ware".
glassagateJun 15, 2008
Okay, the idea of a "ultra-carburettors" being suppressed by "BigOil" makes no economical sense. Assuming that it caught on, andthe majority of the vehicles got, say 300 mpg, the amount of oil soldwould plummet. This would mean less profits. How would one makeup for lost profits?....Increase the markup. You think $4-$5 gas isexpensive? It'd be considered dirt cheap if such a carburettor went ontothe market, and was installed in the mass majority of vehicles. I don'tknow, let's figure....Let's assume that the average MPG is 30 miles per gallon. New average MPG would be300 MPG. They would be selling about one tenthof the gas that they previously sold. So, would that lead to the pricegoing up by 10 times? I don't know if my figures are correct, but if theyare, gas would cost about...$400 to $500 a gallon. $4 - $5 a gallon soundslike one hell of a bargain now, doesn't it? Of course, that doesn't meanthat you have to get a full gallon. You could get a tenth of a gallon,and go a fair distance. This may also lead to tiny cars that get goodgreat mileage. How about a car that only hold a single gallon, and candrive 300 miles? How about a half gallon tank, and a distance of 150miles? Doesn't sound to bad, for some people at least.Also, since they would sell less gas per year, the oil reserves wouldlast longer, and the "evil big oil's empire" could last much, much longer.So which would you prefer?"Big Oil" lasting not much longer, and a gallon of gas costing between $5 and $10?or "Big Oil" lasting, say a century or two longer, with sky high prices?Please, if there are any economists out there, could you correct any of theerrors that I made? If there are none, then could you say so? Thanks a bundle.Oh, if you don't know jack flurpping snit about economics, and just spoutsome conspiracy theory garbage, you will be bured, so don't bother posting.
ronaldcollinsJun 18, 2008
hi there, I use water to fuel a car as a supplement to gasoline. In fact, very little water is needed, only one quart of water provides over 1800 gallons of HHO gas which can literally last for months and significantly increase your car fuel efficiently, improve emissions quality, and save money. I found the way through this site <a class="user" href="http://www.runcarsonwater.us">http://www.runcarsonwater.us</a> i really recommend it to everybody, it's a nice ebook where you can find the instructions on how to do it! take a look.
slycom1Jun 29, 2008
I think it's a great idea! I'm a generator mechanic, and know a little something about energy. It's everywhere, in everything. Somethings like to give off their energy in the right circumstances, others like to hang on to it just like some people with what they think they know about the world. Alkali metals like lithium, sodium, potassium, and a couple of others react with simple water to release energy in the form of heat this reaction also releases hydrogen. When this reaction is exposed to air it can cause the released hydrogen to burst into flames and with some metals explode (stay away from cesium). We all know that water wants to sink to the bottom of oil not because it's heavier but rather because of surface tension. So, with a metal like potassium already sealed in mineral oil when you take posession of it, a few drops of water and a way to collect your gases once they bubble to the surface to be later recombimed with oxygen from the atmosphere with the help of a hydrogen fuel cell, can give you a positve net result in the form of electricity. Instead of buying gas you'll be buying your alkali metals at a very pretty penny. But I suspect you won't need much or that often. The future is depending on all of us to start thinking about the big picture and shutdown these oil companies once and for all. Get creative, talk to your chemistry teachers, see if you can set up an experiment like this. You can't patent an idea, but you can a product, the race begins now!
cn2zv5oeJul 20, 2008
Bulls**t, Charlatans, Snake Oil, Perpetual Motion, Fraud, Pseudoscience, Woo. The only energy involved is expended by Genepax's marketing department.
cn2zv5oeJul 20, 2008
This is a well worn fraud. Yes, your cylinders can be boosted by HHO combustion but the the extra boost will not be enough to power the electrolysis required to make the HHO. The idea is contrived to sound just plausible enough to sell conversion kits to gullible people. Sanity check: If an electrolyzer cell could really boost the efficiency of the motor, wouldn't the auto manufacturers be falling over themselves to install it stock? Your que for the old big oil conspiracy bunk. Go on let's hear it...
cn2zv5oeJul 20, 2008
Short answer: Scam. Does HHO gas burn? YES, because HHO converts to H2O plus energy.Awesome! So a car can run on water then right?NO, because you need H2O plus energy to get HHO.Basically Genepax is claiming that they have figured out a clever way to get more energy out than they put in. Their plan is on schedule so far but they will need to get special permission to extract energy from out of the divine ass of the Almighty Creator of the Universe before they can go into full production.
cn2zv5oeJul 20, 2008
You're missing the point. The problem is energy conservation not water density.
drummer17Aug 23, 2008
I guess it's not a hoax.They use a similar technology in these "water 4 gas" products.Like here:<a class="user" href="http://www.convertyourcar.org/Water-4-Gas-Review.html">http://www.convertyourcar.org/Water-4-Gas-Review.h ...</a>A friend of mine wants to try it and see if it works.Let's see....