recessionreadyamerica.com— In the wake of rising unemployment a new Gestapo-like safe neighborhood program has started showing up across the country. Turn in your neighbor for MONEY.
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With news of possible prisoner releases in California, I'm sure the big businesses running prisons around the country support a program to help boost business a little!!!
"Drug sales and use, gang activity, theft, graffiti, child abuse, threats and intimidation, weapons, arson, vandalism."So, which of these things are you against people reporting? I mean, the case can be made for graffiti as art, but the truth is that the majority of graffiti that takes place in areas where there is significant public drug sales and use, gang activity, etc. is more vandalism than art.This isn't a way to denounce your suburban neighbor who happens to own guns, it's not a way to stop people from saying whatever they want, it's specifically a non-governmental initiative to lower the crime rates in cities where these specific crimes are a serious problem.So I'll ask again, which of the above listed things are you AGAINST people reporting?
Did you read the article? The point is, during hard times, people are being offered money to turn others in. The point is what Robert Gellately of Florida State University wrote about the Gestapo in his book, "The Gestapo and German Society: Enforcing Racial Policy": "“There were relatively few secret police, and most were just processing the information coming in. I had found a shocking fact. It wasn’t the secret police who were doing this wide-scale surveillance and hiding on every street corner. It was the ordinary German people who were informing on their neighbors.”The point is this FTA: "The problem with an anonymous informant program that offers payment for incentive in a era of widespread unemployment and inflation is very obvious. In Nazi Germany most of the denunciations were acquired through fear, which is an equally illogical way of getting information from the public."And this FTA: "Today you will have no way of defending yourself against anonymous accusers. And will their testimonies be available for use in the courts? The constitution states that every citizen has right to trial by jury of your peers, not a private tribunal or website tip line for that matter."Today, to quote you, it's "Drug sales and use, gang activity, theft, graffiti, child abuse, threats and intimidation, weapons, arson, vandalism." What will it be tomorrow - speaking up against government run health care, for instance - for which, BTW, the current administration has already set up a website so that you, John Q. Public, can "...report rumors, the contents of casual conversation, and the contents of emails..." to the government of the United States? From my comment above: "They [the current administration] decry the fact that they are unable to "keep track" of the communication between citizens effectively and are asking for help from informers. Of course forwarded emails would contain the electronic addresses of the sender."<a class="user" href="http://digg.com/political_opinion/Citizen_Informan">http://digg.com/political_opinion/Citizen_Informan</a> ...Where does it stop, FyreGoddess...how far are you willing to go? Keep in mind that tomorrow, it could be you who is being informed on and/or turned in.
If these businesses don't really believe in this end of days crap then they are running a really clever racket. Personally I've grown potatoes,hot and green peppers, tomatoes and lots of seasonings. Maybe I should sell a hundred dollar vegelovers survival pack, not that I'm a vegetarian but they sell these seeds cheap at the dollar store up my street so I'd make a 1000% profit to people who think seeds are scarce and Armageddon is right around the corner.
"That said, this is probably a waste of time, since they could just have someone haunt the comments of upcoming stories on Digg and they'd see *every* piece of misinformation that is going around." - Exactly. It is a monumental waste of time, because it is something they could very well do for themselves. One then has to ask, why have they done this? You say the collection of names/addresses is incidental - well, the only reason they would not receive names/addresses would be if the sender were thoughtful enough to remove that information...how many will be that courteous? And, if information is forwarded from a site such as Digg...wouldn't personal information be attained easily enough for those with proper computer savvy? The real question here is why ask people to basically inform on others in the first place...why would they want to institute that kind of mentality?"In fact, it hurts the conservative cause, this consistent overreaction to everything..." - Actually, this is not, and should not be, a conservative 'cause' at all. It is one that crosses all political lines, as it should. And, to label it as overreaction, thereby making it easier to dismiss those who are 'overreacting', to me is a cop-out. It's easier to waive the hand of dismissal rather than admit possible error. People are asking legitimate questions. Take the 'bailouts', for instance; the government is now majority shareholder in GM, AIG, some of the major banks, etc. Cap-and-trade and 'stimulus' are nightmares, economically and otherwise. And the latest 'crisis' is now healthcare, for which the government has the ever-ready solution - itself. As for Obama's place of birth...there are legitimate questions regarding this issue. Obama has gone to great lengths to keep many of his records from the public. Why?As for this blog not being a reliable source and simply the paranoid ramblings of a delusional blogger - I hope you're right. But to say the blogger "apparently thinks that a tip line for severe inner city crime is a BAD idea" is an exaggeration, and erroneous. And that shows just how insidious programs like this CAN be. I mean, who in their right mind could argue with a tip line for severe inner city crime? What the blogger is saying is that the idea of attaching money to an anonymous 'tip', during economic hard times, is like attaching a carrot to a string. What the blogger is saying, is that this kind of program has the potential of being used and abused. What the blogger is saying, is keep your eyes and mind open. I have never understood why some can be perfectly capable of recognizing breaches of freedoms and the Constitution, but only when perpetrated by certain administrations; they are somehow totally incapable of recognizing similar, or worse, breaches when perpetrated by an administration of their own particular political persuasion.
blackturtleusAug 5, 2009
With news of possible prisoner releases in California, I'm sure the big businesses running prisons around the country support a program to help boost business a little!!!
mrcoldheartAug 6, 2009
ha, complete with a segway to another story.that is good.
fyregoddessAug 6, 2009
"Drug sales and use, gang activity, theft, graffiti, child abuse, threats and intimidation, weapons, arson, vandalism."So, which of these things are you against people reporting? I mean, the case can be made for graffiti as art, but the truth is that the majority of graffiti that takes place in areas where there is significant public drug sales and use, gang activity, etc. is more vandalism than art.This isn't a way to denounce your suburban neighbor who happens to own guns, it's not a way to stop people from saying whatever they want, it's specifically a non-governmental initiative to lower the crime rates in cities where these specific crimes are a serious problem.So I'll ask again, which of the above listed things are you AGAINST people reporting?
existingAug 6, 2009
Did you read the article? The point is, during hard times, people are being offered money to turn others in. The point is what Robert Gellately of Florida State University wrote about the Gestapo in his book, "The Gestapo and German Society: Enforcing Racial Policy": "“There were relatively few secret police, and most were just processing the information coming in. I had found a shocking fact. It wasn’t the secret police who were doing this wide-scale surveillance and hiding on every street corner. It was the ordinary German people who were informing on their neighbors.”The point is this FTA: "The problem with an anonymous informant program that offers payment for incentive in a era of widespread unemployment and inflation is very obvious. In Nazi Germany most of the denunciations were acquired through fear, which is an equally illogical way of getting information from the public."And this FTA: "Today you will have no way of defending yourself against anonymous accusers. And will their testimonies be available for use in the courts? The constitution states that every citizen has right to trial by jury of your peers, not a private tribunal or website tip line for that matter."Today, to quote you, it's "Drug sales and use, gang activity, theft, graffiti, child abuse, threats and intimidation, weapons, arson, vandalism." What will it be tomorrow - speaking up against government run health care, for instance - for which, BTW, the current administration has already set up a website so that you, John Q. Public, can "...report rumors, the contents of casual conversation, and the contents of emails..." to the government of the United States? From my comment above: "They [the current administration] decry the fact that they are unable to "keep track" of the communication between citizens effectively and are asking for help from informers. Of course forwarded emails would contain the electronic addresses of the sender."<a class="user" href="http://digg.com/political_opinion/Citizen_Informan">http://digg.com/political_opinion/Citizen_Informan</a> ...Where does it stop, FyreGoddess...how far are you willing to go? Keep in mind that tomorrow, it could be you who is being informed on and/or turned in.
mrcoldheartAug 6, 2009
If these businesses don't really believe in this end of days crap then they are running a really clever racket. Personally I've grown potatoes,hot and green peppers, tomatoes and lots of seasonings. Maybe I should sell a hundred dollar vegelovers survival pack, not that I'm a vegetarian but they sell these seeds cheap at the dollar store up my street so I'd make a 1000% profit to people who think seeds are scarce and Armageddon is right around the corner.
existingAug 7, 2009
"That said, this is probably a waste of time, since they could just have someone haunt the comments of upcoming stories on Digg and they'd see *every* piece of misinformation that is going around." - Exactly. It is a monumental waste of time, because it is something they could very well do for themselves. One then has to ask, why have they done this? You say the collection of names/addresses is incidental - well, the only reason they would not receive names/addresses would be if the sender were thoughtful enough to remove that information...how many will be that courteous? And, if information is forwarded from a site such as Digg...wouldn't personal information be attained easily enough for those with proper computer savvy? The real question here is why ask people to basically inform on others in the first place...why would they want to institute that kind of mentality?"In fact, it hurts the conservative cause, this consistent overreaction to everything..." - Actually, this is not, and should not be, a conservative 'cause' at all. It is one that crosses all political lines, as it should. And, to label it as overreaction, thereby making it easier to dismiss those who are 'overreacting', to me is a cop-out. It's easier to waive the hand of dismissal rather than admit possible error. People are asking legitimate questions. Take the 'bailouts', for instance; the government is now majority shareholder in GM, AIG, some of the major banks, etc. Cap-and-trade and 'stimulus' are nightmares, economically and otherwise. And the latest 'crisis' is now healthcare, for which the government has the ever-ready solution - itself. As for Obama's place of birth...there are legitimate questions regarding this issue. Obama has gone to great lengths to keep many of his records from the public. Why?As for this blog not being a reliable source and simply the paranoid ramblings of a delusional blogger - I hope you're right. But to say the blogger "apparently thinks that a tip line for severe inner city crime is a BAD idea" is an exaggeration, and erroneous. And that shows just how insidious programs like this CAN be. I mean, who in their right mind could argue with a tip line for severe inner city crime? What the blogger is saying is that the idea of attaching money to an anonymous 'tip', during economic hard times, is like attaching a carrot to a string. What the blogger is saying, is that this kind of program has the potential of being used and abused. What the blogger is saying, is keep your eyes and mind open. I have never understood why some can be perfectly capable of recognizing breaches of freedoms and the Constitution, but only when perpetrated by certain administrations; they are somehow totally incapable of recognizing similar, or worse, breaches when perpetrated by an administration of their own particular political persuasion.