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Um, contradict yourself much, do you? You, and poisonous little creeps like you, are more responsible for what's happening than even Dick Cheney. You ARE the beast of fascism, they are just seizing the opportunity to ride you. Ovens indeed. I worked for a time with a man who was among the liberators at Dachau... An oven is too good for you, you little s**t.
No, in communism, the government assumes outright ownership of industries. In fascism, the government leaves the ownership in private hands (nominally), but the government decides what the corporations will do, not the market.-jcr
Please explain how free-market trade (which we don't truly have today) is a bad thing? Trade is all voluntary and doesn't occur unless both parties to the trade want it to happen. How is that bad? Contrast this with anything government interferes with (via regulations, tariffs, price caps, price floors, subsidies, etc etc) -- this is all force and is all determined politically. I won't hold my breath for a logical response.
"If these killing fields belonged to, answered to, and were directed by the wishes of Pol Pot and his circle then that is pretty centralized isn't it. By definition. Were these killing fields run by councils who were democratically federated and comprised of delegates that were recallable by their base? No, so they were nothing close to the ideas expressed by the marxists I am referring to."The decision of whether or not to kill people was quite decentralized; even the lowliest guard had the power to kill people. This is what Marxists mean by "democratic"."In either case, yours is a stupid argument because where do you intend to go with it? Do the genocidal actions in Pol Pot's Cambodia really qualify as an indictment of the entire body of the Marxist materialist worldview,"Not just Cambodia; the genocidal actions undertaken by every government that has ever attempted to implement Marxism qualifies as an indictment of Marxism."and their scientific analysis related to the divisions and conflicts that arise in a society divided along the lines of property ownership?"There is no "scientific analysis" in Marxism. Marxists seek to make the world fit their theories, instead of making their theories fit the world."What then does the genocide of Vietnamese peasants, Guatemalan Indians or North American Indians provide for you in your critique of western democratic capitalism?"It provides nothing, since Western capitalists did not commit genocide against Vietnamese peasants (Marxists did), Guatemalan Indians or North American Indians."The fact is all systems which maintained the division between those who own the means of production, and those who exchange their labor for a right to participate in the consumption of that which they produce during the work day are responsible for mass-murder and terror."All the mass-murder and terror committed during the 20th century has been committed by governments, not capitalists, and the vast majority of that mass-murder and terror was committed by Marxists and Marxist governments."Capitalism more than any, since it is inherent in its very logic that if people can be whipped, intimidated, or secuded into forming an army of workers and producers who follow the orders from their bosses, that they can be similarly manipulated into an army of mass murderers who "just follow orders"."Bulls**t. As we have seen from history, it is only under socialism that people are whipped and intimidated into working. Under capitalism, the only way you can get people to work for you is to offer them something in return.
Call me a Kool-aid drinking whacko if you want...but I think it's weird when buildings explode into themselves and fall at near-freefall speed from fire.
wakanandaOct 14, 2007
Um, contradict yourself much, do you? You, and poisonous little creeps like you, are more responsible for what's happening than even Dick Cheney. You ARE the beast of fascism, they are just seizing the opportunity to ride you. Ovens indeed. I worked for a time with a man who was among the liberators at Dachau... An oven is too good for you, you little s**t.
nsresponderOct 15, 2007
No, in communism, the government assumes outright ownership of industries. In fascism, the government leaves the ownership in private hands (nominally), but the government decides what the corporations will do, not the market.-jcr
bjornskiOct 15, 2007
I love some of those stories. I'll have to look that one up, thanks.
bratpack8Oct 16, 2007
Two words: Ron Paul
bratpack8Oct 16, 2007
Please explain how free-market trade (which we don't truly have today) is a bad thing? Trade is all voluntary and doesn't occur unless both parties to the trade want it to happen. How is that bad? Contrast this with anything government interferes with (via regulations, tariffs, price caps, price floors, subsidies, etc etc) -- this is all force and is all determined politically. I won't hold my breath for a logical response.
andrew1193Oct 16, 2007
"If these killing fields belonged to, answered to, and were directed by the wishes of Pol Pot and his circle then that is pretty centralized isn't it. By definition. Were these killing fields run by councils who were democratically federated and comprised of delegates that were recallable by their base? No, so they were nothing close to the ideas expressed by the marxists I am referring to."The decision of whether or not to kill people was quite decentralized; even the lowliest guard had the power to kill people. This is what Marxists mean by "democratic"."In either case, yours is a stupid argument because where do you intend to go with it? Do the genocidal actions in Pol Pot's Cambodia really qualify as an indictment of the entire body of the Marxist materialist worldview,"Not just Cambodia; the genocidal actions undertaken by every government that has ever attempted to implement Marxism qualifies as an indictment of Marxism."and their scientific analysis related to the divisions and conflicts that arise in a society divided along the lines of property ownership?"There is no "scientific analysis" in Marxism. Marxists seek to make the world fit their theories, instead of making their theories fit the world."What then does the genocide of Vietnamese peasants, Guatemalan Indians or North American Indians provide for you in your critique of western democratic capitalism?"It provides nothing, since Western capitalists did not commit genocide against Vietnamese peasants (Marxists did), Guatemalan Indians or North American Indians."The fact is all systems which maintained the division between those who own the means of production, and those who exchange their labor for a right to participate in the consumption of that which they produce during the work day are responsible for mass-murder and terror."All the mass-murder and terror committed during the 20th century has been committed by governments, not capitalists, and the vast majority of that mass-murder and terror was committed by Marxists and Marxist governments."Capitalism more than any, since it is inherent in its very logic that if people can be whipped, intimidated, or secuded into forming an army of workers and producers who follow the orders from their bosses, that they can be similarly manipulated into an army of mass murderers who "just follow orders"."Bulls**t. As we have seen from history, it is only under socialism that people are whipped and intimidated into working. Under capitalism, the only way you can get people to work for you is to offer them something in return.
tehprojektOct 22, 2007
Call me a Kool-aid drinking whacko if you want...but I think it's weird when buildings explode into themselves and fall at near-freefall speed from fire.
Closed AccountNov 12, 2007
The storm troopers coming to your door won't have swastikas on their arms but AIPAC and Halliburton emblems.
xkingadrockxSep 28, 2008
Chomsky?
jaxxbatSep 21, 2009
The "elements of Fasciam" can easily be read online ..
jaxxbatSep 21, 2009
Sad how even one would give your statemnt a negative ...Free enterprise built America and these misguided folks cant even see this ..