bravenewfilms.org— In addition to France, Canada, and the UK, Michael Moore also went to Norway. What he found, was unbelievable.
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actually it is pretty offensive - in my experience it is usually used in a derogatory way, and often as a generic noun to cover anyone brown from Asia.
Your question about treatment choices is indeed a good one. I'm not certain how this works, but there will always be a dialog between patient and doctor where they both have a say in how your illness should be treated. I don't think herbal treatments have gotten a widespread recognition as an alternative to conservative treatment yet, but Norway recently updated their laws about the use of such treatments which states that both patients wants and needs are to be considered, but at the same time the security of using such treatments is also taken into consideration (which is evaluated by your appointed doctor). The law specifically says that "Loven åpner også for at alternativ behandling i stor grad kan tilbys som supplement til ordinær helsehjelp.". In English "This law allows alternative treatment to be used as a supplement for ordinary health care"<a class="user" href="http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dokumentarkiv/Regjeringen-Bondevik-II/Helsedepartementet/247340/248928/ny_lov_om_alternativ_behandling.html?id=250766">http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dokumentarkiv/Regjeri ...</a>You can of course choose to pay for any medical procedures yourself. We do have privatized hospitals in Norway as well, but if our public hospitals can't handle a treatment because of lack of competence or otherwise refuse to spend that much money on a treatment they believe is a total waste of money, then we usually just travel to the US or other countries which have specialized doctors for such a thing. The government does pay for treatment abroad if they don't have the competence to treat the patient in Norway.The rationing part is somewhat related to what I've already been saying. Your treatment is based on a dialog between you and your doctor, and together you come up with the best solution. I can't seem to find any conclusive sources on how this works in practice though.Norway is indeed a very nice place to live, although I don't have any experience with living in another country so I can't really compare.The taxation is indeed very high compared to other countries. In the US you have more choice over how you want to spend your money - some blow it all on consumer goods, some save their money for retirement, some save their money for a rainy day when you really need them to pay for medical care. Most people though don't think that far ahead and these people are the ones that falls through the crack. Our taxes are forced saving sort of speak. We get free medical care, free education, enjoyable welfare and free pension. These are all security checks that makes sure that none is left behind and struggle through their lives. We all chip in to help each other out. Those that make more money has to give more money back than the less fortunate.As for vacating in Norway: Summertime definitely. Best time to visit is probably July/august for the warmest months. 17. may which is our national day is also an exciting day with lots of tradition and hordes of people walking together up and down the streets with waiving flags and ice cream all over their face. It's expensive being an American in Norway these days though.And yeah, I've been reading up on how those veterans receive their thanks for fighting for their country. I believe i read an article which stated that 1 in 4 which were homeless in the US were former US soldiers, so I guess that says it all.
I believe that the constitution constrains the government more than private industry. the point about sociiallist police state but not medicine is well taken. the really scary thing is the government hiring contractors who are NOT constrained by the constitution AND are doing the bidding of the government. no wonder why the politicos are jumping on the privatization bandwagon.
Moore should have taken the time to REALLY understand the Canadian healthcare system before highlighting it as the IDEAL. There are many stories of good, hardworking Canadian people slipping through the cracks without a single person stopping to help or ask why.Case in point, I stumbled upon a very sad story of an Ottawa, Canada woman and the suffering she experienced at the hands of not one, but numerous Canadian doctors - this is a must read!!<a class="user" href="http://canadahealth.x10hosting.com/mainpage.php">http://canadahealth.x10hosting.com/mainpage.php</a>Excerpt: I wanted to share my Mom’s experience with the Canadian Healthcare System in the hopes to increasing awareness about the problems that exist within the Canadian Healthcare System and the unnecessary emotional and physical burdens these problems place on patients seeking adequate, timely medical care. I wish I could say that my dear Mom’s medical treatment went smoothly without physical or emotional stress, but I cannot. In fact, my Mom had a tremendous amount of difficulty getting quality care in a timely manner, which not only contributed to her earlier death, but also caused her an enormous amount of anxiety and grief. I suppose these are the times when our healthcare system is really tested, when a patient enters the system with a time-sensitive illness, not a patient with a simple winter cold who leaves the doctor’s office happy and able to recover. For my mom, the combination of long wait times, inadequate preventative care, lack of communication among doctors, and lack of continuity during her medical care all played a critical role in contributing to her death. I should preface this story by saying that, like many Canadians, my dear Mom was very proud of the Canadian healthcare system. She firmly believed that each and every Canadian should have access to the same high quality healthcare, regardless of financial status or social ranking. Sure, my Mother understood that there were a few short-comings within the system, but she felt that these short-comings were small sacrifices to ensuring equal healthcare access for all. Unfortunately, it was this very same healthcare system that ultimately let her down and most certainly contributed to her heartbreaking early death.
mcmlxxiiNov 27, 2007
actually it is pretty offensive - in my experience it is usually used in a derogatory way, and often as a generic noun to cover anyone brown from Asia.
danandreNov 28, 2007
Your question about treatment choices is indeed a good one. I'm not certain how this works, but there will always be a dialog between patient and doctor where they both have a say in how your illness should be treated. I don't think herbal treatments have gotten a widespread recognition as an alternative to conservative treatment yet, but Norway recently updated their laws about the use of such treatments which states that both patients wants and needs are to be considered, but at the same time the security of using such treatments is also taken into consideration (which is evaluated by your appointed doctor). The law specifically says that "Loven åpner også for at alternativ behandling i stor grad kan tilbys som supplement til ordinær helsehjelp.". In English "This law allows alternative treatment to be used as a supplement for ordinary health care"<a class="user" href="http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dokumentarkiv/Regjeringen-Bondevik-II/Helsedepartementet/247340/248928/ny_lov_om_alternativ_behandling.html?id=250766">http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dokumentarkiv/Regjeri ...</a>You can of course choose to pay for any medical procedures yourself. We do have privatized hospitals in Norway as well, but if our public hospitals can't handle a treatment because of lack of competence or otherwise refuse to spend that much money on a treatment they believe is a total waste of money, then we usually just travel to the US or other countries which have specialized doctors for such a thing. The government does pay for treatment abroad if they don't have the competence to treat the patient in Norway.The rationing part is somewhat related to what I've already been saying. Your treatment is based on a dialog between you and your doctor, and together you come up with the best solution. I can't seem to find any conclusive sources on how this works in practice though.Norway is indeed a very nice place to live, although I don't have any experience with living in another country so I can't really compare.The taxation is indeed very high compared to other countries. In the US you have more choice over how you want to spend your money - some blow it all on consumer goods, some save their money for retirement, some save their money for a rainy day when you really need them to pay for medical care. Most people though don't think that far ahead and these people are the ones that falls through the crack. Our taxes are forced saving sort of speak. We get free medical care, free education, enjoyable welfare and free pension. These are all security checks that makes sure that none is left behind and struggle through their lives. We all chip in to help each other out. Those that make more money has to give more money back than the less fortunate.As for vacating in Norway: Summertime definitely. Best time to visit is probably July/august for the warmest months. 17. may which is our national day is also an exciting day with lots of tradition and hordes of people walking together up and down the streets with waiving flags and ice cream all over their face. It's expensive being an American in Norway these days though.And yeah, I've been reading up on how those veterans receive their thanks for fighting for their country. I believe i read an article which stated that 1 in 4 which were homeless in the US were former US soldiers, so I guess that says it all.
tzeenethNov 30, 2007
Yes we have
tzeenethNov 30, 2007
Because we all know how it works out in the U.SI wonder when you'll realize youre a third world country
wazzamNov 30, 2007
Is the next Michael Moore project a film on the PRISON STATE the US is becomming?
sp4rkerDec 1, 2007
Norway is the new Sweden.
colobikeguyDec 2, 2007
I believe that the constitution constrains the government more than private industry. the point about sociiallist police state but not medicine is well taken. the really scary thing is the government hiring contractors who are NOT constrained by the constitution AND are doing the bidding of the government. no wonder why the politicos are jumping on the privatization bandwagon.
colobikeguyDec 2, 2007
you are number 1? well... america ... f**k yea... is gonna have to take you down a notch brutha! dispatch carrier group to our new enemies!
janesmith123Mar 3, 2008
Moore should have taken the time to REALLY understand the Canadian healthcare system before highlighting it as the IDEAL. There are many stories of good, hardworking Canadian people slipping through the cracks without a single person stopping to help or ask why.Case in point, I stumbled upon a very sad story of an Ottawa, Canada woman and the suffering she experienced at the hands of not one, but numerous Canadian doctors - this is a must read!!<a class="user" href="http://canadahealth.x10hosting.com/mainpage.php">http://canadahealth.x10hosting.com/mainpage.php</a>Excerpt: I wanted to share my Mom’s experience with the Canadian Healthcare System in the hopes to increasing awareness about the problems that exist within the Canadian Healthcare System and the unnecessary emotional and physical burdens these problems place on patients seeking adequate, timely medical care. I wish I could say that my dear Mom’s medical treatment went smoothly without physical or emotional stress, but I cannot. In fact, my Mom had a tremendous amount of difficulty getting quality care in a timely manner, which not only contributed to her earlier death, but also caused her an enormous amount of anxiety and grief. I suppose these are the times when our healthcare system is really tested, when a patient enters the system with a time-sensitive illness, not a patient with a simple winter cold who leaves the doctor’s office happy and able to recover. For my mom, the combination of long wait times, inadequate preventative care, lack of communication among doctors, and lack of continuity during her medical care all played a critical role in contributing to her death. I should preface this story by saying that, like many Canadians, my dear Mom was very proud of the Canadian healthcare system. She firmly believed that each and every Canadian should have access to the same high quality healthcare, regardless of financial status or social ranking. Sure, my Mother understood that there were a few short-comings within the system, but she felt that these short-comings were small sacrifices to ensuring equal healthcare access for all. Unfortunately, it was this very same healthcare system that ultimately let her down and most certainly contributed to her heartbreaking early death.
int19hAug 9, 2008
What is your measure of quality of life? Do you have a reference?