dailykos.com — This memo undercuts the frame that the recent ABC torture story suggested, by simply not mentioning the central role of the president in the NSC, that George W. Bush was elsewhere when decisions were made about torture. Now, we have signed memo indicating Bush was probably at the helm.
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madharveyApr 11, 2008
There are several aspects of the document that would lead me to believe that it is fake. First, as you pointed out, a document from 2002 wouldn't look like the declassified documents we see from the 70s. Second, something of this nature is sensitive, and still relevant, so I don't think it would even be considered for declassification just 2 years later, which is not a standard declassification time period. Third, the document was previously classified, yet doesn't follow any modern classification guide..
relic180Apr 13, 2008
noah. The simple fact is you're wrong. You wrong in saying that this memo states the Geneva convention does apply, and you can keep talking to people like some smug assh**e ("The truth gets funny when you get selective, I'd suggest you don't do it again.") but it doesn't change the fact that this memo, which I have read in its entirety several times over, states CLEARLY that the articles of the Geneva convention which prohibit the torture of prisoners do not apply to these prisoners.Now if you want to continue on about how obvious it is that nobody else read the article, there's nothing anybody can do to stop you from acting like a child, but the fact remains that the memo is right there, available for anybody to click on and read for themselves, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the memo uses a gentle manner and a patriotic tone to approve the use of torture. Period.
johniskewApr 14, 2008
Just the response i was looking for. Another liberal who refuses to answer the tough question when its his butt on the line.
monk22Apr 14, 2008
we also havent tried to exterminate a race of people, its a bit different.
0degreesApr 17, 2008
You need to check your facts, there have been plenty of presidents who never started wars in foreign countries.
chimblesApr 18, 2008
Unfortunately this is something like pointing the sky and declaring it to be blue. It was always obvious that this is the case, denials or not. Frankly we are seeing more and more of this "I was not aware of whats happening under me" excuse. In any other organization things would not work that way... you would get a boot for mismanagement. But in this case it's OK because even knowing the obvious people are surprised that this surfaced. Give it a week, everyone will forget about this, and repeat the process again. And no, Bush nor his government is not stupid, it's all the sheep on the bottom that turn to media to form their opinions...
Closed AccountApr 20, 2008
Gotta give you credit for "staying the course" even though the majority of the population hates your guts.. hmm wait...
beakerwimpApr 27, 2008
to all: Sorry I never came back to this. My wife was in the hospital on and off for the last 25 days. I wasn't purposely ignoring. I appreciate the effort that my opponents put into refuting my points.
hippyinasuitJul 1, 2008
So now ABC and MSNBC are inaccurate source because a couple of dip-s**ts on Digg say so!