copyrightings.com— Microsoft is suggesting that they will pursue legal action against Linux users/distributors due to alleged patent infringement.
May 13, 2007View in Crawl 4
@HeiligeExactly...on every single point.@ziadozSales are not persisting as MS expected except in OEM's (Dell, HP, Toshiba, Gateway, etc) which don't count because consumers have no choice. Ifv i bought a Dell laptop tomorrow and the only OS i could get on it is Vista, i'd get it and reformat and install XP or Linux as soon as i get home. On the new features, ME was the first Windows OS to have full Windows Media Player and System Restore and a few other misc. features. Vista has nothing new like that. Except for Aero and Readyboost which barely work. As for me saying Vista being bloated to hell...A stock Windows XP Pro 32-bit SP2 takes up about 1GB-1.5GB of Hard Drive space after install and uses about 192MB of RAM (if you have a good bit of RAM). A stock Windows Vista Ultimate install takes up 8-10GB of HD space and uses about 400MB of RAM. My linux install takes up about 2GB of HD space stock (Ubuntu, which is a bit bloated itself) and 128-192MB RAM. How is Vista not bloated?
two words...... F&^% MStime for the OSS people to start looking at how some of the MS progs work,and maybe think MS has dodgy OSS code hidden in Windows.Of all the 1000s of MS coders, whats the odds that a few borrowed some OSS code once or twice.After all GNU and Linux are older than windows 95, so who would borrow first.Also the OSS people are prob more global and have more people in more countries than MS,so MS could be tied up in annoying petty court cases worldwide.Small claims court and take out injunctions to stop selling of Windows in countries, until MS prove innocence.
@slicedoranges (#6669881)Threatening to sue Linux users and distributors, instead of simply trying to make their product better, does. Also, just because more people use their product doesn't mean it's better.
@alex:"Windows is popular due to its ease of use - its one click install, all standardised more or less - no need to hunt for obscure libraries for things"One-click install?! Have you ever installed it??I just installed Ubuntu for my family, and they like it. I sure as heck didn't have to hunt for "obscure libraries"."Linux suffers from being under the GPL,"No, it exists BECAUSE of it."there are so many versions of it each different - you have Fedora, Ubuntu, Suse, RHEL, Mandrake, Gentoo, Debian, etc AND then lets not forget FreeBSD, ok thats BSD based - but still."So? Diversity is a good thing."It is far easier for tech companies and software companies to develop software/drivers for Windows than it is for Linux"Bull. It should be EASIER, since if something doesn't work you can go into the kernel code and see WHY it's not working." - on Linux we have 2 X-Windows Desktop systems - etc, each distribution is slighty different - so something that works on Fedora might not work on Ubuntu, we also have the different distributions use slightly different directory paths so its harder to write code that will locate the libraries"That has nothing to do with drivers - they all use the same kernel.Oh, and that's what autotools is for. It works fine..." - lets not forget that a "general" installer may not necesasirly work on all distros, and if you want to release software that is not open source you definately dont want to let people compile it from source."Programs like Skype doesn't seem to have a problem with that, neither do Linux game developers."Now, I know many of the things that make users have Windows are many of the things making it very popular - but Linux needs to change if it ever wants to be more than a server or enthusiast system."Really? It works fine on the computer my family uses, and they have ZERO issues with it."Linux is great because of its stability and the fact that the system is developed with the Kernel/Console as the main point rather than windows where everything plugs into the GUI not giving us a strong textual interface,"Indeed. That is one thing I wish Microsoft would learn."BUT this does not mean that we cant adopt some form of standardisation in order to make the system far more user friendly and developer friendly"Like what?" - this is the problem of the GPL allowing anyone to go and make thier own fork in the development."So you would rather have a license which takes away your freedom to make an independent version? Count me out...
mraltoid19May 14, 2007
I think the lethal combo of Vista "bombing" and Ubuntu's burst of poplularity got M$ nervous.
obliviousfoolMay 14, 2007
Nice link, tendonut!Still a long way from being able to uninstall IE from the work computers, but I will play with it at home.
jdhore1May 14, 2007
@HeiligeExactly...on every single point.@ziadozSales are not persisting as MS expected except in OEM's (Dell, HP, Toshiba, Gateway, etc) which don't count because consumers have no choice. Ifv i bought a Dell laptop tomorrow and the only OS i could get on it is Vista, i'd get it and reformat and install XP or Linux as soon as i get home. On the new features, ME was the first Windows OS to have full Windows Media Player and System Restore and a few other misc. features. Vista has nothing new like that. Except for Aero and Readyboost which barely work. As for me saying Vista being bloated to hell...A stock Windows XP Pro 32-bit SP2 takes up about 1GB-1.5GB of Hard Drive space after install and uses about 192MB of RAM (if you have a good bit of RAM). A stock Windows Vista Ultimate install takes up 8-10GB of HD space and uses about 400MB of RAM. My linux install takes up about 2GB of HD space stock (Ubuntu, which is a bit bloated itself) and 128-192MB RAM. How is Vista not bloated?
heiligeMay 14, 2007
Let this be Microsoft's worst mistake EVER!REVOLT FULL THROTTLE!!!
ferrofluidMay 14, 2007
two words...... F&^% MStime for the OSS people to start looking at how some of the MS progs work,and maybe think MS has dodgy OSS code hidden in Windows.Of all the 1000s of MS coders, whats the odds that a few borrowed some OSS code once or twice.After all GNU and Linux are older than windows 95, so who would borrow first.Also the OSS people are prob more global and have more people in more countries than MS,so MS could be tied up in annoying petty court cases worldwide.Small claims court and take out injunctions to stop selling of Windows in countries, until MS prove innocence.
ziadozMay 15, 2007
No one is going to take your OS away from you, keep your knickers on.
toxicredmMay 15, 2007
@slicedoranges (#6669881)Threatening to sue Linux users and distributors, instead of simply trying to make their product better, does. Also, just because more people use their product doesn't mean it's better.
Closed AccountMay 15, 2007
@alex:"Windows is popular due to its ease of use - its one click install, all standardised more or less - no need to hunt for obscure libraries for things"One-click install?! Have you ever installed it??I just installed Ubuntu for my family, and they like it. I sure as heck didn't have to hunt for "obscure libraries"."Linux suffers from being under the GPL,"No, it exists BECAUSE of it."there are so many versions of it each different - you have Fedora, Ubuntu, Suse, RHEL, Mandrake, Gentoo, Debian, etc AND then lets not forget FreeBSD, ok thats BSD based - but still."So? Diversity is a good thing."It is far easier for tech companies and software companies to develop software/drivers for Windows than it is for Linux"Bull. It should be EASIER, since if something doesn't work you can go into the kernel code and see WHY it's not working." - on Linux we have 2 X-Windows Desktop systems - etc, each distribution is slighty different - so something that works on Fedora might not work on Ubuntu, we also have the different distributions use slightly different directory paths so its harder to write code that will locate the libraries"That has nothing to do with drivers - they all use the same kernel.Oh, and that's what autotools is for. It works fine..." - lets not forget that a "general" installer may not necesasirly work on all distros, and if you want to release software that is not open source you definately dont want to let people compile it from source."Programs like Skype doesn't seem to have a problem with that, neither do Linux game developers."Now, I know many of the things that make users have Windows are many of the things making it very popular - but Linux needs to change if it ever wants to be more than a server or enthusiast system."Really? It works fine on the computer my family uses, and they have ZERO issues with it."Linux is great because of its stability and the fact that the system is developed with the Kernel/Console as the main point rather than windows where everything plugs into the GUI not giving us a strong textual interface,"Indeed. That is one thing I wish Microsoft would learn."BUT this does not mean that we cant adopt some form of standardisation in order to make the system far more user friendly and developer friendly"Like what?" - this is the problem of the GPL allowing anyone to go and make thier own fork in the development."So you would rather have a license which takes away your freedom to make an independent version? Count me out...
jdhore1May 15, 2007
@ziadozIf you'd prefer a better test (more games and something that was pretty well dugg), check this out: <a class="user" href="http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==">http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==</a>In that comparison, Vista loses in everything except 1 of the 2 tests for WoW...So again, how is Vista's performance not crappy compared to XP? They even used Flight Simulator X which was designed for DX10.
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