alternet.org— Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) introduced HR 1234, a bill to immediately end the United States occupation of Iraq, in the House of Representatives
Mar 2, 2007View in Crawl 4
Why don't pull the stick out of yor ass for a minute so you can calm down. Do you honestly think cutting the funding for the war is the proper way to bring those troops home? First off, it would be an instant morale boost for the opposing factions in Iraq, you wold see an imediate escalation in attacks, the door hitting us in the ass on the way out so to speak. Then, it would not be an altogether withdrawl, our troop numbers would slowly decrease probably much more slowly than the equipment they will need.Now, you assume I support Bush, I don't, the f**king administration let this mess go the way it has, there were infinitely better ways to approach this and they didn't. However, if you think I support the break and run mentality of the democrats you are out of your mind. We stay and fix the mess we created.You also assume I'm a Christian, wrong again, religion is the cause at the heart of some of our biggest problems lately and I want nothing of it.Also, did you stop and think that the democrats are just as tied to those companies? The answer is of course.
It seems a little short-sighted to pack up and leave now. To those who wish for immediate deployment, what do you see happening in the next year after we're gone?Don't want to get into whether the war is right or not... that is burnt out. But what to do isn't.
Let's see -- you mock a guy for supporting the war. I insult you, then explain in a few brief sentences why the war has been a disaster for the country. You offer an insulting, content-free response. I could have been persuaded that the insult was unnecessary; now I just think it was unsufficient.
We basically have three choices in Iraq:Partition: Sunni, Shia, Kurd. Lots of pain here.Strongman: Basically replace Saddam with somebody a little nicer -- though not much nicer, as the place is falling apart. I think it's too late for this idea, which might have worked if we'd kept the Iraqi military intact.Proxy war: This is where we are now: stuck in the middle of a civil war, trying to impose/implement a democracy. There's no evidence in the history of the area to suggest that this will work. Our troops are going to keep getting shot up, and Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and other interested powers in the area will continue to meddle in their own self-interest/defense.These options were pretty much clear from the outset of the war, though they weren't what Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, or any of the rest told us (remember that our troops were to be welcomed as liberators and that we'd be out of there in a matter of months?)Most wars benefit only military contractors. There are exceptions (WWII being the most clear), but generally General Smedley Butler was right: War is a racket.
If we leave Iraq that fast, then we should continue running like chickens. When Al Qaeda takes credit, Yell, "YES YOU DID" as loud as we can. We should close ALL non US territory bases, give the Guantanamo prisoners to The Hague, Mothball ALL the carriers, release one half to two thirds the armed forces to civilian life. Non of that will be needed in the future since there is no point in projecting US military might to forward our interest. It will be 40 years or more before our enemies do anything other than laugh at us.In short, we can't run away. We can call Bush an IDIOT (and this is from a registered republican), but we can't run away from our problems any more. Running now will cause major problems for decadesOh, and if he says' lets bomb Iran, bomb his ranch first.
dynamokMar 2, 2007
Does anyone know if Kucinich is Polish or Ukrainian?
noahhowardMar 2, 2007
Why don't pull the stick out of yor ass for a minute so you can calm down. Do you honestly think cutting the funding for the war is the proper way to bring those troops home? First off, it would be an instant morale boost for the opposing factions in Iraq, you wold see an imediate escalation in attacks, the door hitting us in the ass on the way out so to speak. Then, it would not be an altogether withdrawl, our troop numbers would slowly decrease probably much more slowly than the equipment they will need.Now, you assume I support Bush, I don't, the f**king administration let this mess go the way it has, there were infinitely better ways to approach this and they didn't. However, if you think I support the break and run mentality of the democrats you are out of your mind. We stay and fix the mess we created.You also assume I'm a Christian, wrong again, religion is the cause at the heart of some of our biggest problems lately and I want nothing of it.Also, did you stop and think that the democrats are just as tied to those companies? The answer is of course.
dontspamjayMar 2, 2007
It seems a little short-sighted to pack up and leave now. To those who wish for immediate deployment, what do you see happening in the next year after we're gone?Don't want to get into whether the war is right or not... that is burnt out. But what to do isn't.
spock627corfuMar 2, 2007
Let's see -- you mock a guy for supporting the war. I insult you, then explain in a few brief sentences why the war has been a disaster for the country. You offer an insulting, content-free response. I could have been persuaded that the insult was unnecessary; now I just think it was unsufficient.
spock627corfuMar 2, 2007
We basically have three choices in Iraq:Partition: Sunni, Shia, Kurd. Lots of pain here.Strongman: Basically replace Saddam with somebody a little nicer -- though not much nicer, as the place is falling apart. I think it's too late for this idea, which might have worked if we'd kept the Iraqi military intact.Proxy war: This is where we are now: stuck in the middle of a civil war, trying to impose/implement a democracy. There's no evidence in the history of the area to suggest that this will work. Our troops are going to keep getting shot up, and Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and other interested powers in the area will continue to meddle in their own self-interest/defense.These options were pretty much clear from the outset of the war, though they weren't what Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, or any of the rest told us (remember that our troops were to be welcomed as liberators and that we'd be out of there in a matter of months?)Most wars benefit only military contractors. There are exceptions (WWII being the most clear), but generally General Smedley Butler was right: War is a racket.
ichbinladenMar 3, 2007
Introduce the Articles of Impeachment against Richard Cheney next, please.
swordedgeMar 3, 2007
If we leave Iraq that fast, then we should continue running like chickens. When Al Qaeda takes credit, Yell, "YES YOU DID" as loud as we can. We should close ALL non US territory bases, give the Guantanamo prisoners to The Hague, Mothball ALL the carriers, release one half to two thirds the armed forces to civilian life. Non of that will be needed in the future since there is no point in projecting US military might to forward our interest. It will be 40 years or more before our enemies do anything other than laugh at us.In short, we can't run away. We can call Bush an IDIOT (and this is from a registered republican), but we can't run away from our problems any more. Running now will cause major problems for decadesOh, and if he says' lets bomb Iran, bomb his ranch first.
elebrioMar 4, 2007
Ya because Iraqi PM Maliki has asked us to leave... oh wait he's BEGGING us to stay!
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