abcnews.go.com — A federal judge has ordered the Bush administration to release information about who visited Vice President Dick Cheney's office and personal residence, an order that could spark a late election season debate over lobbyists' White House access.
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dcoolidgeOct 20, 2006
evil
gojedaOct 20, 2006
@ MiloMindrbindrAs opposed to you and democrat friends not having a platform to speak of?
jellygraphOct 20, 2006
as it currently stands, it could have happened and neither you nor anyone else would ever know about itand what of the next president? or the one after that? what if they decide to abuse the powers, be he republican, democrat, ross perot, richard nixon, whatever?
markersOct 20, 2006
Hmm… does anyone else think Kim Jong II looks like a Muppet?
zeligOct 20, 2006
Yes, let's find out exactly who Cheney is seeing and what they're talking about, We should know everything! It's the public's right to know! But those bastards better not be wiretapping suspected terrorists on US soil.You Hypocrites.
gojedaOct 20, 2006
@gojeda: My grandparents escaped communist and Nazi dictators so their posterity could live in a free country, and you guys are flirting with the danger of recreating it here. I didn't see the endgame as they did, but they had an expression which translated to "resist the beginnings". Very good. My parents escaped from communist Cuba in 1962 because they wanted their son, that would be me, to not be born into such an enviroment. So it is because of this background of mine that I am speaking out against the likes of you who are intent on hamstringing the country against threats previously unknown.edverb: And moreover...you think that voting this way and acting this way makes you look "strong" but you could not be more wrong. What it does is make you look weak, and scared, and willing to sacrifice America's freedom on the altar of your own party power.Actually, the only weak ones are those who pull every desperate trick in the book to subterfuge protection of the homeland. This ranges from exposing secret programs that have to remain secret for obvious reasons (except, it seems, not to obvious to some).Additionally, I will ask you again, what freedom's are being sacrificed exactly? You see, I have asked this question several times now, and the response ranges from silence to the usual "you are Nazi" retort. Those are not fitting responses, and the lack thereof just illustrates the indefensibility of your position.edverb: You think they can keep you safe from people who want to kill us? That's not their job.I expect my government to protect the homeland as best they can. Yes, I **DO** expect them to rise up to that task. And not only do I expect them to protect the country, my Constitution expects them (specifically, the President) to protect the country.Read the Constitution sometimes, a lof of fascinating stuff there, especially in Article II.edverb: (and not one they're competent enough to execute anyway.) Their oath is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, to which you owe everything.Read above.....good, I am glad you see it my way then.edverb: I don't consider the Constitution a suicide pact as you guys do, like a barrier to be overcome. "Give me liberty or give me death." You're currently on the "course that others may take".As opposed to you guys who see the Constitution as a tool to hamstring those to who try to protect the country as best they can you mean? When someone famounsly said. "The enemy is within the palace...", they were actually talking about the likes of you, who would rather debilitate the power of our government to fight against terrorism EFFECTIVELY. You would much rather expose any and all LEGAL attempts in order to try to surveill the bad guys? Why? Because you rights are being mythically eaten away.So what are those rights of yours being eatan away again?edverb: All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, could not, by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.The insular American speaks. Now, you are quite wrong here. We do not have a God given right of superiority here. The above is true because this country works VERY HARD so that the homeland is protected. Divine province has NOTHING to do with it.And it is because of the efforts of people like you, who are intent on weakening the tools the country has as its disposal to fight foreign threats, that we are in the situation we are in today. We got a taste of what apathy and loss of focus gave to us on 9/11. I, for one, do not wish to live through that nightmare again, especially since I knew a few who died on that fateful day.edverb: At what point then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer that if it ever reach us, it must spring from amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we ourselves must be the authors and finishers.Precisely the reason why surveilling terrorism must not automatically exempt Americans. Americans can be terrorists just the same, and in fact, are of the more insidious strain for they have prepertrated acts against their own country.edverb: As a nation of free men, we must live through our times or die by suicide."This does not mean sitting on our hands (a-la Clinton) and this does not mean hamstringing law enforcement.edverb: Think about that when you advocate granting your government the unfettered power to spy on her own people without a warrant, or detaining suspects forever without ever seeing a judge.A typical mischaracterization.No one is advocating unfettered power to surveil. That is merely a smokescreen of the left to demonize conservatives.edverb: When you advocate ever more harsh "questioning" tha amounts to torture, and you remove any oversight or barriers or laws to protect the innocent. As you overturn the very American ideal of "innocent until proven guilty". Can you cite specific and verifiable cases of torture at, say, Gitmo? I didn't think so.edverb: You need to take a longer view of things. What frustrates me is that you seem more concerned with the outcome of the next election than you are about what sort of world we will bequeath to our children and grandchildren. My forefathers didn't fight to preserve this beacon of liberty in this world to have you piss it away out of fear.I would say, that, in light of your and your party's incessant bashing of the administration and the Republican Congress, that the only one who is making a powergrab for seats in Congress are you and your Democrat friends. One only has to look at the desperate mudslinging over the last year or so to see that reality.Like I have mentioned before, mudslinging is not a substitute for a party platform. Instead of coming up with an alternate plan for America, you and your Democrat friends have chosen to spend your time demonizing the opposition. That is why your party is unable to sweep the floor with a weakened Republican party.One would think that the message would have gotten through to the leadership by now, but apparently it has not.I, for one, will do what I can to ensure that you, and those like you, does not subterfuge the ability of my government to protect its citizenry.
edverbOct 21, 2006
It's not about right and left, and never was. That is a shortsighted view.
gojedaOct 21, 2006
Gee edverb, why doesn't it surpise me that you are just one of these limpwristed alarmists that, when pressed, doesn't have a whole lot to say?Rookie....
gojedaOct 23, 2006
"I don't know, after all we have a president who "believes" that God told him to invade Iraq ...what makes you think that Jesus Christ didn't visit the vice president too ?"It could have been the tooth fairy visiting the President or the Veep, but you are dodging the question again. What part of any of this is illegal?