youtube.com — This new smuggled video, showing IDF commandos brutally kicking their 19-year-old American captive, who is clearly posing no threat to them, and then firing four shots downward into him. The autopsy showed he was shot four times in the face, and at least once in the back.
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immunofortJun 15, 2010
"Reporters on the Freedom Flotilla ships claim that that the IDF shot and killed people *before* they landed on the ship."I think theres a conflict of interest. So the part of your argument where you use that statement as the basis, is brought into question.And I'll agree with the last point you made. Though I'll also add that they should have known the possible consequences of trying to go through the blockade.
maddoktor2Jun 15, 2010
You do know that that "American" left the US when he was 2 years old and never returned, right?Whatever card you think you played, it turned out to be a Joker.
trublmakrJun 15, 2010
@Nini - We sadly bear the burden of national shame ( <a class="user" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair</a> ) when our military commits an atrocity - and we don't ignore the requirement for our criminals to be brought to justice. Israeli arrogance will lead to more bloodshed in the region - for decades to come unless brave people of conscience - like those aboard the freedom flotilla - try and put a stop to the insanity.
tzvika613Jun 16, 2010
_Maybe_ it proves the rule -- maybe not. But the point is that there is a disturbing trend away from your statement.
trublmakrJun 16, 2010
Just so you know, there are Jewish, Muslim and Christian relatives in my own family... It's clear to the enlightened people of the world -(and even us atheists) - that all people are created equally,.. and ought to have their most basic human rights respected by others. It's only when a destructive self-important cultural indoctrination becomes viral & ultimately corrupts that the slaughter of innocent people begins. That happened in the Mediterranean last week and needs to be recognized. The solution isn't better weapons,. it's education, international travel and more honest introspection about one's own phony superiority complex.
johnrebJun 17, 2010
No, I'm not.Unlike you I took the time to look up and read the relevant treaties.Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality is the international law on naval blockadesHelsinki states a blockade is legal when used against a Belligerent State.<a class="user" href="http://www.vilp.de/Enpdf/e025.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.vilp.de/Enpdf/e025.pdf</a>The Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States defines a State.Gaza qualifies as a state under Montevideo, and certainly a State that continuously fires rockets at civilian targets in a neighboring State can be defined as Belligerent.<a class="user" href="http://www.taiwandocuments.org/montevideo01.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.taiwandocuments.org/montevideo01.htm</a>So do you have an actual counter to those documents, or are you simply hoping that repeating over and over that a perfectly legal blockade is illegal will make it so?
wpi97Jun 17, 2010
@TrublemakrMaybe you should examine your own self-righteousness and your own superiority complex. Someone who has tried to justify a systematic extermination of 1.5 million people has no business speaking for the enlightened people of the world.
trublmakrJun 18, 2010
I'm not superior and will readily admit as much,.. will you admit that of Arab Israeli's? I never tried to justify anything with respect to the slaughter of innocent Armenians,.. I only suggested it needs to be viewed in the context of WW1 politics - and as far as I'm concerned the WW1 period is a dark stain in human history - one of many occasions where self-important politicians put young people in harms way to satisfy their own inflated egos... you have some serious misconceptions about what I stand for,.. You might like to believe I'm a Nazi terrorist sympathizer - but nothing could be further from the truth.
phoenixgtrJun 20, 2010
?Dr Haluk Ince, the chairman of the council of forensic medicine in Istanbul, said that in only one case was there a single bullet wound, to the forehead from a distant shot, while every other victim suffered multiple wounds?He added that all but one of the bullets retrieved from the bodies came from 9mm rounds. Of the other round, he said: ?It was the first time we have seen this kind of material used in firearms. It was just a container including many types of pellets usually used in shotguns. It penetrated the head region in the temple and we found it intact in the brain.?Are you sure about that?