english.aljazeera.net — Part of any ethnic cleansing operation is not just wiping out the population and expelling it from the earth. A very typical part of ethnic cleansing is wiping people out of history.For ethnic cleansing to be an effective and successful operation you also have to wipe people out of memory and the Israelis are very good at it.See some of how it was
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mushroomheroJun 23, 2008
It's a crappy way of reporting because you're making light of murder. Their intention is to kill the innocent, so I think homicide is more the case then suicide. They call it martyrdom.
zombies187Jun 23, 2008
Hell if I can remember...Im toasted alot! Also my apostrophy button is screwed up. I cant properly say Im or its. This sucks. Good night.
mrsdz50Jun 23, 2008
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Closed AccountJun 23, 2008
Hint: it is because it is a lot easier for Christians to get a visa in the West.
baileyntxJun 23, 2008
I agree...quite interesting...expecially since most of the human rights violations are occurting IN Muslim nations these days.Persecution of the Copt Christians in Egypt...most are all gone.....can't build Christian churches there, and families have to worry about their daughters being kidnapped by Muslim men...and forced to convert.Persecution of Hindus and Christians in Pakistan...most are all gone. In fact 20 of them were just kidnapped a few days ago in Peshawar.Persecution of Christians in Turkey....most are all gone. In fact the police just busted a Muslim group that was kidnapping of old non-Muslim people...forcing them to sign over their property to them and then murdering them. Persecutions of 'others' all over the globe. Sudan, Afghanistan, Bangledesh, Somolian, Nigeria....it goes on and on and on....
Closed AccountJun 24, 2008
@red replicant: Ilan Pappe's "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". I have a copy in my hand. Do you want to refute a passage or chapter? He's taken seriously around the globe. People whose comforting myths are threatened by Ilan Pappe hate him, but that's not the same as refuting him.
sodadeJun 24, 2008
Those kids shows are really telling. The Palestinians are thoroughly infected by the disease of their hate. I hope you can see the same disease in the Israelis - it is easy to not be as infected when you have a better economic situation. Poverty breeds ignorance and hate feeds on ignorance. With both sides so diseased, how can there be hope for the future? (it is funny that I got accused earlier in this thread of believing in blind hope - I am far from that) These programs are f**king absurd. Absurd to the point of invalidating any hope of reconciliation. Thank you for obviously understanding that I play devil's advocate a lot. I was really kind of joking about the "desert" thing - I live in the desert myself and love it. The pictures you linked were very impressive and very poignant. Looking at these awesome pictures of Israel, I suddenly realize the ridiculousness of my suggestion that the Israelis should just f**king leave the ME, buy some land in South America and start over. How could you leave all that you have created there? But then it struck me: all of this was created in 60 years! 60 years is not a very long time when you are looking at the timescale of nations. Yes, I realize it is absurd, but is it more absurd than the jew-hating bunny? Is it more absurd than a war with Iran? From an economic perspective, sure you will say - the cost is too high. But is it really? How much money will both the US and Israel spend fighting Iran? And in the end all that will come is more killing. THAT is f**king absurd.Besides, imagine what Israel could be if they weren't surrounded by enemies? I, for one, would dump a lot of my 401k into Israel if it happened. Again, I realize how silly my idea sounds, but I also realize how f**king silly killing for peace is.Maybe you could be scouting for land there in Argentina?On a personal note urik88, I respect your "sense of duty," but there are far better (and no doubt more difficult) ways to fulfill your duties than picking up a gun. Taking yourself out of the cycle of violence is far more honorable IMO. Anyway, it has been a pleasure having this conversation with all of you (f**k if the internet isn't the coolest thing to allow some dude living in the desert in SW America to have a direct conversation with Israelis). It would be cool if there was a moderated forum somewhere where Israelis, Palestinians, Americans and Persians could all discuss these things - maybe get the Norwegians to moderate?
bugguJul 1, 2008
> As for massacres of Palestinian villages - yeah, there were. In Jewish Palestinian Villages, by the Arab Palestinians. Just google 1921 massacre, 1929 massacre, 1936 massacre, 1937 massacre for example.Ok, there were massacres of Jewish people by Arabs, but not the reverse. I totally get it. Jews = victims, Arabs = terrorists. How typical of a racist.And where is your evidence disproving the forced expulsion of the Palestinians by Zionist military forces? I see nothing but more delusional and revionist Zionism - sorry, that's just s**t you've been fed all your life, it doesn't hold up in the real world.> As for "ethnic cleansing of a whole group of people", you're quite the bigot. Google "graph of palestinian people". As you'll clearly see, the Palestinians are actually one of the fastest growing populations in the world. Israel must really suck at ethnic cleansing. ha?Go and get a f**king clue. Ethnic cleansing =/= genocide. Palestinians are still removed from Israel to this day through the process of house demolitions in Jerusalem and in the West Bank. Go read up on something that isn't entirely produced by the zionist propaganda machime and is documented by human rights organizations and not scream Pallywood and cover all yours ears for once.is that too much to ask?