news.yahoo.com — Isaac Zamora went on a shooting rampage last week in Washington. He killed 6 people. His reasoning was "I kill for God. I listen to God." His attorney, Keith Tyne, said "Clearly there are significant mental health issues at play." If you do something good in the name of "God" you are praised, but when you do bad it is "mental health issues".
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mr_goneSep 12, 2008
You know what I hate? When people say "Thank God we made it out alive, he was really watching over us." You know what folks? He was watching over you before you were tossed into the hellish roller coaster of terror. If there was a God don't you think he would have prevented this from happening as opposed to just making sure you survived? If that is the kind of God you believe in then your God is an assh**e. With that out of the way time to comment on the story. I think it will be funny when the guys he didn't kill end up bringing about the end of the world then God will be like, thanks a lot guys. I told one of you to kill these people but noooooo, let's not listen to God.
rearlgrantSep 13, 2008
No I wouldn't.
paidhimaSep 13, 2008
1. Generally parents don't teach their children obedience by killing one of them. That doesn't teach obedience; it teaches fear and control.2. You missed my point on what I believe would be the path to true piety. It's not submission to God's will and judgment. It's to recognize that you don't require his will, judgment, or love at all.3. I think many people do turn to God out of fear. Some see this divine love and trust in letting yourself go and submitting to the will of God. I see it as a cosmic cop-out - a grand delusion. It's a way, not to trust in God, but to absolve yourself of guilt.
andydunSep 13, 2008
It seems to me that the same double standard being called out here applies to almost anyone's description of their motivation for doing almost anything. If I say that I helped my next door neighbor care for his cancer-stricken wife because I'm an existentialist and that's the kind of decision by which I choose to define myself; or because I'm patriotic and I think that's an important thing to do in order to build civic strength, then I'm regarded as sane and compassionate. If I kill my next door neighbor and attribute my decision to existentialism or patriotism, I've got "mental health issues." (Clearly.) Those are justifiable judgments about me based on my behavior, not my expressed motivation. I'm a Christian, although I certainly understand the force of the (better) arguments for atheism. But I don't think that we can lay this particular form of double standard off on belief in God alone.
woundedcowSep 13, 2008
Excellent! I have three absolute concrete proofs, which prove to my satisfaction, that their is a supreme creator of all that is. I call Him God because I have to use some name, but if you want to use another label feel free. Nor do I pretend to understand what His plans are. I'm not a religious pontificater and think religions are the most dangerous threats to the planet because they are organized by man. However, I do have an absolute faith that Someone (for want of a better term) created all that is.1: I think, I see, I hear, I taste, I want, I love, I care, I am. I recognize that I am someone who has thoughts and dreams and a place in this life that I live. Since I am, then there must have been someone (for want of a better term again) who "in the beginning" created all that is.2: Rain falls, winds blow, voices sing and lives get lived. I see this around me and understand that they have lives and live them. They didn't appear in my life by magic. Someone, somewhen, some how beyond my ability to understand created them. 3: My son in the other room, who was dead. There was nothing in him and the doctors asked to remove the cardio-stimulator, the respirator and the tubes so they could harvest his parts. His brain had no higher brain functions. He was by all legal terms dead. But now he's alive...happy, healthy, lazy as a teenager, smiling and sleeping in on a Saturday morning. He is alive for whatever reason there was for him not to die and I thank God (I have to call Him something, I can't just say 'Hey, you!') every day for not letting my son die.Those are my tangible, empirical proofs that there was and is a creator of all that is. They are tactile, visible and require no "faith" on my part to believe in.
tkastryc9Sep 13, 2008
No just someone who doesn't want a needle in his arm and figures saying s**t like this will keep him from and into a nice mental institution for a few years. I say let the families of his victims have a few rounds with him.
rushjaycarrSep 13, 2008
Where the hell did you get that?! I commented on this article already that this dude was a wacko.
greengooSep 17, 2008
@ antwan17Wouldn't god directly giving an order trump the bible, hypothetically speaking?