news.com.com— CEO Paul Otellini reveals plans at IDF to ship a "teraflop" processor around the end of decade with 80 cores.
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No, actually, these will be using the as-yet-unannounced "Core 3" architecture. Additionaly, there are actually 6 more cores in addition to the announced 80, which are used for task management.As such, they'll be calling this the Core 386.
Soon the 8K computer will be back, but refer to the number of cores, the memory count will have Terabytes and flash drives will have measured Petabytes. And Google will refer to the number instructions per second (10^100).Its going to be fun. As I look at my 1MHz 8K TRS-80 with a 300 Baud modem, compared to my 2GB Intel 2 Duo 3GHz with 2x500GB (1TB) drives and 15MB Fiber connection. can wait for the next 30 years.
Well to keep heat manageable each core would have to use only 1 watt I find this an unlikely target. Since even if a very power effect X86 core are used like the VIA C7 which uses around 4 to 8 watts average half that of Intel and 20watts max TDP the power requirements for the entire chip will still be 320 to 720 watts with an upper limit of1600watts.Even if they cut power use by 4x the thermo issues will still be very large when all cores are being utilized.If built said processor would also likely require a thermo conducting module though which a liquid coolant circulates as done in some mainframes. Here's an example <a class="user" href="http://www.electronics-cooling.com/Resources/EC_Articles/MAY96/may96_04.htm">http://www.electronics-cooling.com/Resources/EC_Articles/MAY96/may96_04.htm</a>
"The issue of cache misses is stepped around, by having each core constantly switch what it is working on everytime a miss occurs. This means the cores do less thrashing."I hadn't read that, but that's actually a very elegant way of side stepping the thrashing that those processors are definitely going to generate. But the number of threads still seems out of sync to the actual amount of hardware the processor has, I hope that won't get in the way of its performance (it seems a waste to have each core working on *8* threads when it's doubtful the cores will have the hardware to work on 3 at the same time under ideal situations). I had assumed that Sun was going to use a barrel shifting approach to superthreading (execute one item from one thread, rotate to the next thread, if the new thread has an instruction that can be executed along side what's executing now, queue it, else shift to the next thread and repeat).
@zboog:Just because Doc had a Mr. Fusion didn't mean everyone else had it yet - maybe like every other invention of his in the series, it was a prototype.I'm still waiting for my Hover Board! :(
I thought that these processors were going to start being made from protein on an atomic level and that the architecture was going to be completely changed as a result in which silicon will no longer be needed. The new solar panels coming out next year will be using other things than silicon and be much cheaper and produce much more power. I would have also thought that lasers and optics would get into the mix somewhere. Perhaps multiple microscopic lasers and proteins, something that may not have even been thought up yet, will probably power our future computers. Something new will be implemented before we hit 80 cores or at least something that will change the way that they will do it.
merrebornSep 26, 2006
No, actually, these will be using the as-yet-unannounced "Core 3" architecture. Additionaly, there are actually 6 more cores in addition to the announced 80, which are used for task management.As such, they'll be calling this the Core 386.
ascusSep 26, 2006
Soon the 8K computer will be back, but refer to the number of cores, the memory count will have Terabytes and flash drives will have measured Petabytes. And Google will refer to the number instructions per second (10^100).Its going to be fun. As I look at my 1MHz 8K TRS-80 with a 300 Baud modem, compared to my 2GB Intel 2 Duo 3GHz with 2x500GB (1TB) drives and 15MB Fiber connection. can wait for the next 30 years.
Closed AccountSep 26, 2006
Well to keep heat manageable each core would have to use only 1 watt I find this an unlikely target. Since even if a very power effect X86 core are used like the VIA C7 which uses around 4 to 8 watts average half that of Intel and 20watts max TDP the power requirements for the entire chip will still be 320 to 720 watts with an upper limit of1600watts.Even if they cut power use by 4x the thermo issues will still be very large when all cores are being utilized.If built said processor would also likely require a thermo conducting module though which a liquid coolant circulates as done in some mainframes. Here's an example <a class="user" href="http://www.electronics-cooling.com/Resources/EC_Articles/MAY96/may96_04.htm">http://www.electronics-cooling.com/Resources/EC_Articles/MAY96/may96_04.htm</a>
geminitojanusSep 26, 2006
"The issue of cache misses is stepped around, by having each core constantly switch what it is working on everytime a miss occurs. This means the cores do less thrashing."I hadn't read that, but that's actually a very elegant way of side stepping the thrashing that those processors are definitely going to generate. But the number of threads still seems out of sync to the actual amount of hardware the processor has, I hope that won't get in the way of its performance (it seems a waste to have each core working on *8* threads when it's doubtful the cores will have the hardware to work on 3 at the same time under ideal situations). I had assumed that Sun was going to use a barrel shifting approach to superthreading (execute one item from one thread, rotate to the next thread, if the new thread has an instruction that can be executed along side what's executing now, queue it, else shift to the next thread and repeat).
tektalkSep 27, 2006
if I watch porn on an 80 core cpu then it would explode when i'm halfway done (and it would frag my balls)i think 180 cores would be more merciless.
protogenxlSep 27, 2006
But it will still take 2 minutes for the OS to start-up.
protogenxlSep 27, 2006
The Backlights of all Future LCDs will be replaced by White-Hot Glowing Cores
vigileSep 27, 2006
It might seem self promoting, by our look at the terascale processing is much more in depth and actually talks about implementations, platform issues and work loads that lend themselves to hardware like this:<a class="user" href="http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=302">http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=302</a>
squintyOct 1, 2006
@zboog:Just because Doc had a Mr. Fusion didn't mean everyone else had it yet - maybe like every other invention of his in the series, it was a prototype.I'm still waiting for my Hover Board! :(
crazysweetguyNov 25, 2006
I thought that these processors were going to start being made from protein on an atomic level and that the architecture was going to be completely changed as a result in which silicon will no longer be needed. The new solar panels coming out next year will be using other things than silicon and be much cheaper and produce much more power. I would have also thought that lasers and optics would get into the mix somewhere. Perhaps multiple microscopic lasers and proteins, something that may not have even been thought up yet, will probably power our future computers. Something new will be implemented before we hit 80 cores or at least something that will change the way that they will do it.
intel819Nov 23, 2008
holy s**t. now im orgasmic.