sflistteamhouse.com — The fellow who sent these received them from an old shipmate on the USS Quapaw ATF-110.ATF-11O. Interesting as he's never seen them anywhere else. I think they're spectacular. You must see them for yourself to see how astonishing these photos are.
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Closed AccountDec 9, 2006
@thcobbsThat's a nice card to play. "But we saved the Jews!" The common number thrown around is six million Jews who died during the war. Of course, by dividing up Europe with Russia we allowed around 20 million Russians to be killed as part of the Soviet ethnic cleansing program. We also killed about five million Germans in the process of winning the war. Yes, ethnic cleansing during the war was a mess, but a lot of people died as a result of that war. It wasn't just Jews.
Closed AccountDec 9, 2006
did people die in PH? the U.S. knew about the attack...
phrawghDec 9, 2006
They did, check it out<a class="user" href="http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=245">http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=245</a>
polygoneDec 9, 2006
Still accomplishes the same thing.
asianwasteDec 9, 2006
@ somebitchesAs opposed to throwing more of our troops into a gradual but costly victory? I've been to Hiroshima at Memorial Park and Museum. You'd be surprised that even many Japanese felt that the atomic bomb was the correct choice.
itdefpatDec 9, 2006
one thing for sure - there are a bunch of uninformed idiots commenting on history that they have no idea about... let see if I can recall any of the moron statements "Nazi Europe" would have been infinitely better than a Europe torn in half and living through decades of cold war with the Soviet Union. Eventually political reforms would have removed the Nazi party from power and left behind an united Europe. [RRJ]!! unbeleiveable!! what idiot could come up with that statement (RRJ did)? How often have we seen evil empires suddenly turn good? around 0. ask anyone that lived under the Soviets, or E Gerrmany, or PR china. Nazi Germany as a catalyst for a unified Europe!??Or that Pearl harbor was tactically insignificant. NO, PH was the US force during that time. It was both the symbol and embodiment of US military power in the Pacific.Or the comment that the ships were purposely put in port to be targets by our own goverment or millitary. -Credits to someone above that actually quoted an acutally presidential record (Silencer?). But for ubeleivably unrealistic unknown reason, people are still inventing conspiracies. haven't you read anything non-fiction in the last 30 years or so. Even the TOP Secret records from that period have been published as well as several notable memoirs and biographies. Not much left for speculation or conspiracy theory except for novelists and nutcases.....Kudos for noting that the sneak attack might not have been the intent. The plan might have been hand letter declaring war, and by the way, bombs are schedule to fall in 15 minutes... Probably reasonable considering japanese military philosophy of the time. however, in reality and to the western ideal, not much of a difference...yes we had cracked the japanese codes thanks to the guys at Bletchley[side note off topic - I have visited Bletchley and it is being restored. There is a bletchley web site as well as a related site dedicated to Collossus the orginial super computer]But the Brits (which actually got Enigma from the Poles - there is a memorial at Bletchley) only really focused on the German codes. The US was supposed to work the Japanese codes. But the US military pretty much dropped the ball as noted above due to lack of priorities and being not at war with Japan.Remember, Pacific-big ocean. America was just coming out of pacificism and isolationism (ignore the world, we have two oceans to protect us). There was no intercontinental anything. Navies took weeks to reach the war "over there". Pearl harbor was the pearl. And the ships there were not antiquated. However, since US was so protectionistic, new modern warships werent being built, at least not quick enough. Again, just entirely false. I'd guess from the pictures that the fotos are battle damage assessment shots. Unlikely to be anywhere but naval archives or national archives. Not really normal news shots, so probably not published widely. Expecially since probably classified for 4 or 5 decades as well as being quite underwelming compared with what is in the books. Thanks to SNOPES!!
thcobbsDec 10, 2006
@RRJacksonYes, it would be.