wnd.com — WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began
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spdracerxNov 28, 2006
I question the legitimacy of these numbers. The article even admits that no statistics are kept on the subject, and that the figures are an estimate from a Republican congressman.
americaindangerNov 28, 2006
I think it didn't factor in that much for much the same reason your reply to spdracerx. Neither party is willing to do anything about it, because they and their cohorts corporate America benefit from it.
kooftNov 28, 2006
Yeah, I'd like to see some sources on these statistics. The article links to another story on the same site, which states:"Though no government agency in the U.S. ? not the FBI nor Immigration and Customs Enforcement ? tracks violent crimes by illegal aliens..."They then link to Congressman Steve King's website, which does include these statistics (though no sources):"The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals."For some reason the article doesn't include the 13 Americans killed per day due to drunk driving by uninsured illegals (are there insured legals?). If they did, the number of dead since 9/11 would be 47,600 (25 killed per day * 1904 days since 9/11/01). This strikes me as odd, why not include the more inflammatory numbers to help drive home your point? Perhaps the data was cherry-picked?I'd like to see corresponding ratios for legal aliens and naturalized citizens. Would the statistics show that the ratio of Americans killed by other Americans is higher than that of illegals? Sure would be interesting to know...
lccatNov 28, 2006
Until the ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS are held accountable with monetary fines and/or felony jail time their ILLEGALS will continue to cross our unsecured National Borders and the political "contributions" will be received by "politicians" from all parties. Just follow the money, ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS donate to both parties and some politicians even benefit directly from their own ILLEGALS. As long as the ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS do not have to furnish benefits for their ILLEGALS and the citizen TAX PAYERS are forced to furnish the benefits(health care, suffocating education system, social security,etc,etc,etc) the ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS will continue their political "contributions".
Closed AccountNov 28, 2006
In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses.<a class="user" href="http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/060622">http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/060622</a>Sources: Government Accounting Office, US Department of Justice, National Security Institute
nfultonNov 28, 2006
Let's also count how many undocumented american residents were killed by US citizens for no good reason at all. That's a much larger number than 12 a day I'll bet. And I wonder how many US Soldiers currently killing in Iraq have Iraqi visas. Bet we seem like "illegal aliens" to many Iraqi's. Bet they wish we'd stop killing them. All in all, I bet most people on the planet earth wish we'd stop killing people all the darned time.
thinkboxNov 29, 2006
--on a more serious note...@ KyleRayner"Now THATS a number Id be impressed with."How about we find out how many people died in wars over all time?How about we find out how many people died over religious wars?How about we find out how many people died from starvation due to drug lords?These numbers don't do anything. Throwing up all these old stats to remind us all that "death isn't a new concept" accomplishes nothing. The irradiation of peoples isn't a good thing, but it wasn't a new concept with the American Indians. I'm not trying to be insensitive, just trying to say that killing natives wasn't invented when the evil Americans decided that beads were too expensive for land and promptly taught the American Indians the current world view on property expansion.KyleRayner, your icon is of the British flag.... do you want to go into the colonization horrors that your country committed?The point is - people die all over. Saying it happened in the past isn't a point and it doesn't "make ya think" -- its just pretty f**king obvious and pretty f**king off topic. I'd like to see that argument used in a formal debate. You'd get slaughtered. Nobody alive now was alive then, period. Your guilt on a message board doesn't make me want to pick up trash off the road so that Indian in the commercial doesn't cry -- it just makes me feel complacent about the current deaths.
Closed AccountNov 29, 2006
@ KyleRaynerfarther down you say,"I am Native American by heritage"So am I, but that doesn't give me any more of a "unique" perspecitve on something that happened to my people 100s of years ago. It is more personal.You cite Karma? Seriously? There has been racial war since the dawn of man. We just happened to get the short end of the stick on this one-- this recent one. Don't act like it is new or special. Yes, this was "our land" and it wasn't our land when I was born.Pardon me, but I'm tired of people using my people's past plain chat fodder. This isn't a "number to be impressed with" - it is more than just a number - but I have a feeling if you had that # you seek, you would use it in the same way.@ Thinkbox"These numbers don't do anything."Thanks for understanding. I don't want the deaths of my people to be just a number that "makes ya think"
sfacetsNov 29, 2006
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