gas2.org — After years of development, the Washington-based company InnovaTek is testing a hand-sized microreactor that can convert virtually any liquid fuel into hydrogen, producing a portable hydrogen stream for use in adjoining fuel-cells.
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joeanonMar 20, 2008
In most cases hydrogen won't be combusted, it will be used in fuel cells.Only for jets would we want hydrogen combustion. Fuels cells are much more efficient than the internal combustion engine, sometimes 3 times more efficient in fact.We made this mistake with oil. We had a great fuel and we burned it up in engines that only get 25% efficiency or less. That's 75% of the fuel potential as waste heat. The one legacy of internal combustion cars will be us remembering how well the heat worked.Electric cars are easily the wave of the future. The ONLY limitation is slow moving battery technology. Electric cars are much simpler and longer lasting with many times less moving parts to wear out. The new wheel hub motors are awesome and deliver all the power to the wheel with no loss through mechanical transfer like a drive axle or rear. All power right to the wheels, instant acceleration, no noise, no pollution. Electric is the way to go.We could all be using electric now and spending 1/10 the cost to drive. How much would that boost our economy and rid us of foreign oil reliance PLUS we;d actually have an export.We were the leaders in this type of stuff until Reagan took over and led us down the path of debt and consumption. Still, the new lithium ion are pretty much good enough, with mass production I'm sure the costs would make electric cars an easy sell vs the cost of $5 dollar a gallon gas.there are few ways to burn fossil fuel that are more inefficient that the internet combustion engine. Fuel cells work great with hydrogen, that the main idea behind using it. Many people think they chose that because it's so abundant, sure.. in the sun, but not on earth. I think the hydrogen economy may EVENTUALLY work, but chances are the low energy density of hydrogen will never be solved. Batteries such as lithium ion have comparable energy density to gas, so they are probably the obvious choice. Fuel cells that run on alcohol made from farm waste, grass and other cellulose waste could be pretty big. New selectively bred bacteria will make concerting this trash to fuel nearly energy free, so that makes stuff like ethanol somewhat practical. Though to lower carbon, and not JUST prices, you must make biofuels from waste or force higher fodd prices. For fat ass American's that would probably be a good thing, but the global effect is higher starvation levels. All in all, renewable energy, energy conservation programs, and improved batteries could get us off oil pretty quickly IF we pushed them with the full might of the government. As it stands, replacing the consumption based economy with one that rewards efficiency has proven too tricky for private industries. Since energy distribution is localized, they have a hard time pushing anything but consumption and higher prices. It's not as if they sell power cheaper they will get more customers since there is a physical limitation. I don't think the water vapor from hydrogen would stick around like CO2 does. I think the water vapor levels of earth probably represent our overall water and heat levels. Extra water vapor would likely not stay in the atmosphere, but it might do something. However, if we are smart, we'll save combustible fuels for jets since they cannot use electric. Plus most models of a hydrogen economy involve converting water to energy.I have a feeling, the way humans thing this will mean cheap energy right up until the oceans are about dry and then a last minute push to find new oceans. YEA I know, good luck using all that water up, BUT then again. I just personally like water, there in water form as it has been for a couple billion years. If we could make nuclear power cheaper it would be a viable alternative that's ready now. Just add mass produced lithium ion batteries and your there.Right now we are just waiting for this stuff to hit the market. Sadly all of Europe's energy preparation didn't create affordable high capacity batteries. STILL, as it stands, I think the average Joe can convert to electric or buy a hybrid hacked with a larger battery and charge capacity. This extends range BUT even better it means you use battery power which is 1/10 the cost of gas. ALSO, since solar, wind and hydro are obvious having MAJOR booms and electric car will work great with those technologies. Solar will likely soon be able to get people off the grid. SO, that means your electric car becomes FREE to drive if your solar array is big enough.Nanosolar is shipping the answer to the energy crisis right now. The only problem is limited quantity. Solar has more or less arrived AND even if it hadn't the current panels are only getting cheaper as fossil fuels get more expensive. So the obvious future is renewable energies. It may sound idealistic, but all indicators point to renewable energy being able to handle ALL the nations needs.Even better is the idea of generating your own power from home with a cheap solar panel film that cost only a fraction of the current panels costs. Even if nanosolar doesn't pan out, the technology proves it's possible to mass produce much cheaper solar technology. You take that and the fact that a good solar array needs a good battery and you have a lot of money being dumped in battery research.The most promising are the super capacitor batteries which a few teams are working on now. They will offer nanotech improvements to capacitors storage ability and the fast charge of a capacitor. Seems promising, but no tangible product yet I thinkHowever, lithium ion is good enough to power a high speed electric spots car around 300 miles AND it can charge in 10 min. What else do we need ? To wait for a new gas ? Lets just mass produce fast charge lithium ion and pump out long lasting electric cars. IF we hurry we could still get a bit of a jump on the industry as GAS PRICES SKYROCKET.The rest of the stuff is here. There are many cool electric car conversion kits many of which are only 3-4 grant plus the battery bank maybe another thousand depending on the size of vehicle and range.Even now you can use old ass lead acid batteries to make a car that can drive 60 miles on a charge using an existing car body and frame with the transmission, engine, gas tack, ect removed. It's a big conversion overall, but overall they are cheaper the internal combustion engines, last longer AND they cost 1/10 the price to run with the future only looking better.The kits are pretty weak compared to the high end wheel hub lithium ion cars, but the fact is they are here and there and there is no real limitation other than the mass production of lithium ion batteries for cars. If we don't jump on this China will and we'll be importing electric car parts from them... we'll I guess we will be either way, BUT DAMN at least we could try. The current crop of American's would just rather consume and waste while laughing at people who tell them to be efficient. Bah it's my country I'll waste if I want assh**e SUV drivers. Carter warned us in the 70's and we laughed at him and voted in Reagan. Talk about self destructive behavior. We could have pioneered the electric car as a cheaper alternative at least a decade ago if not two or even three had we actually tried.However, why think about long term savings when we can afford cheap oil now.
joeanonMar 20, 2008
IT's probably some grassroots organization paid for by the oil companies. The only other downfall is that is increases the costs of food AND it leads to the fiscal desire to clear more land, to make more biofuel, which more than offsets the minor carbon advantage of biofuel.So, you COULD make it cheaper than gas, but the cost of food goes up AND by clearing land we are removing natural carbon to oxygen converters. Evidentially farm land is vastly inferior for eating up carbon, so any land we concert to farm land for food or fuel will add to the CO2 problem. They say it takes 93 years to offset the added carbon made by clearing an acre of land for biofuel. That's likely the worst case scenario though, such as burning an acre of rain forest for biofuel use. For now biofuel kind of sucks, but if made from waste material is a great way to recycle waste into fuel which can be used in fuel cells. They theorize the prairie would be harvested for it's grass since it doesn't support crops and is mostly undeveloped and useless land. Trim the grass and convert it to fuel. I don't know how much it makes, but it's a hell a lot of grass.Maybe we can make solar powered robotic grass harvesters to make minimal impact and use the least energy. I think biofuel may not be needed beside for jets though. Solar is most likely going to pay off IF we can stop mega corporations from killing it or owning it. We need to be able to make one time solar panel purchases and be FREE of the grid.
chrirocker1982Mar 20, 2008
Amazing
Closed AccountMar 20, 2008
Biofuels are not the solution because they compete with food production.
quelcertoleoMar 20, 2008
biodiesel, or more in generally biofuel is not the correct answer to the energetic problem.What will happen when the vast majority of farmers will turn their fields to producing crop for fuel generation rather than food generation? Crop prices in the past two years have almost DOUBLED, probably we are going to have cheaper fuel prices but will pay huge amounts of money for food.think about that.The only reasonable alternative to this moment is hydrogen powered transportation.
Closed AccountMar 20, 2008
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sonofagunnMar 20, 2008
So after 93 years the CO2 situation will be steadily improving instead of steadily getting worse? Sounds like a better plan than our current situation.
kiltzgMar 20, 2008
Or NOT! I could be the next pope!If we REALLY devoted the needed amount of arable land to production of the products necessary to somewhat efficiently produce biodiesel, we'd be importing basic food grain!We also would have to change livestock feed to something that contains proteins from slaughtered animals-thereby risking a situation similar to what triggered the UK's Mad Cow outbreak a dozen years ago!
Closed AccountMar 21, 2008
Seriously people, I'm going to post these again, just to make the point. Not all biofuels come from food sources. In fact, most anyone knowledgeable about biofuels knows that first-generation feedstocks are not the answer.None of these biofuels are made from food:Switchgrass Could Displace 30% of US Petroleum Usage With 94% GHG Reduction <a class="user" href="http://gas2.org/2008/03/14/switchgrass-could-displace-30-of-us-petroleum-usage-with-94-ghg-reduction/">http://gas2.org/2008/03/14/switchgrass-could-displ ...</a>First Cellulosic Ethanol Plant Goes Online, Makes Fuel From Wood Waste <a class="user" href="http://gas2.org/2008/03/07/first-cellulosic-ethanol-plant-goes-online-makes-fuel-from-wood-waste/">http://gas2.org/2008/03/07/first-cellulosic-ethano ...</a>BREAKING NEWS: First Cars Run on Algae Biodiesel; Breakthrough Production Possible <a class="user" href="http://gas2.org/2008/01/21/breaking-news-first-cars-run-on-algae-biodiesel-breakthrough-production-possible/">http://gas2.org/2008/01/21/breaking-news-first-car ...</a>GM Announces Biofuel Partnership: Cheap, Green Ethanol? <a class="user" href="http://gas2.org/2008/01/13/gm-announces-biofuel-partnership-cheap-green-ethanol/">http://gas2.org/2008/01/13/gm-announces-biofuel-pa ...</a>
hdrkidMar 22, 2008
It's a grand way to turn waste into resource.