mint.com— Rhetoric aside, what every American likely cares about is: How will health care reform affect my health policy (or the lack of it) and my financial bottom line?
Mar 23, 2010View in Crawl 4
There is no shortage of doctors in this country. What we lack is doctors that don't become specialists because the money is better. There is no shortage, only the perception of shortage.
So let me get this straight - your solution is to fix the "American diet and overall way of life"? That's fine as far as it goes: obesity is known to be bad for the body in any number of ways. But what do you propose we do for kids with bone cancer, for the people with type 1 diabetes, for people with congenital organ disorders, for pregnant women, for people with AIDS or other autoimmune disorders - hell, for people who are just plain old?In addition, it's well known that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of the cure" - are you saying that we should avoid regular medical checkups now? Because no offense, but that's just daft. There's a vast difference between cultural hypochondria and simply taking basic care of your body - you know, just to catch small things at an easily-treatable stage.I'll readily agree that many Americans are overmedicated - things like ADHD are vastly over-diagnosed, imo, and way too many people pop antibiotics like candy whenever they get the sniffles. But that's not what causes most of the drain on health insurance providers, and that's not the sort of things for which we need doctors. And we don't have enough of those doctors - at least not ones willing to take on Medicare patients.So I ask you again: what is your solution for problems which **can't** be solved with a judicious mixture of "suck it up" and "walk it off"? It's all well and good to focus on nutrition, but it's just a minuscule part of the medical profession.
Oh to add about India, this isn't to say that India has high quality care because they are still a rather poor country. What I am saying is that it's so cheap for basic services like an x-ray or MRI that you could fly out there and back and save money compared to the US system. This is because they don't have the insurance removing price incentive nor limits on doctors. Becoming a doctor in the US is very expensive and it shouldn't be. This is due to the AMA for having a monopoly on doctors and what schools can train them and how many they can train.
"This was sold to us as health care for all, but none of this seems to actually guarantee that people won't still be denied."Perhaps the bill was actually designed to fail. I think it has failure written all over it. Either it's part of a grand political game or it's a large stepping stone for making the inevitable transition to a single payer system.When government regulation fails, we blame the free market and demand more government regulation. Funny how that is.
It's interesting. Binkster went gradeschool with brainiac. pjhorrex stayed sensible and brought it in for a safe landing. I guess it's easier to hate something if it's generalized and has a silly name.
"Does everyone understand that the salary for doctors will go down dramatically?"Why? Because you say so? More demand for doctors will cause their salary to decrease?
They clearly didn't read it. Sec 207 says that the exchanges can be single state or multiple state exchanges (subject to approval of the commissioner).One other section (in the 200's as well) says that in order to participate in an exchange, a provider has to be licensed in that state. Remember, insurance is largely regulated at the STATE level. That's not going away even if the reform bill didn't pass.I don't know why people think buying across state lines is such a silver bullet. Many of the huge insurance companies have presence in many states - Aetna, BC/BS, United Health Care, etc. Buying a policy from another state doesn't get you much (if anything), they would still have to comply with the state's regulations anyway.
Don't be a moron. That doesn't mean nobody gets paid. It just means that ALL of the money that is paid to the health care provider goes to paying the employees instead of an "owner" or "shareholder" like corporations do. Doctors, nurses, orderlies, and what have you will still be paid. The money just goes directly to the upkeep of the hospital/clinic which includes everyone that works there.
"Health Care Reformed: What Will Change for You?"You freedoms and liberties will slowly start being stripped away as Big Government continues to s**t on the Constitution. Put aside the politics - the back and forth bulls**t - the numbers - forget it all. On a basic level of liberty and freedom, this is yet another violation of our rights as humans beings and citizens of the greatest country on Earth.When the Government forces you to purchase a product from a private company / enroll in medicare or face a fine, there is a SERIOUS issue. This is the one thing people don't seem to understand, and it makes me worried. Sure we need reform. Sure the system is broken, but this is a flagrant violation of my free will to govern my body how I see fit.Sigh. /inb4 "libertarian gentlemen"
I think the position of Republicans for November is even STRONGER than it was before. This bill is absolute garbage and any smart Republican incumbent or nominee that is running will be campaigning on Obama rammed this down our throat and we need to remove it/fix it. Combine that with Obama was more concerned about ramming this healthcare bill down our throat than the state of our nation's economy.They will have a very powerful platform. My only hope is that enough actually were truly brought back to conservatism as opposed to doing it because it's self-serving now and will forget about it later.
Yes woflgang - I went "grade school" to make sure you all could understand what I was saying. I wouldn't want to confuse you by using big words. And honestly, why would I hate pjhorrex for debating my view points? Silly little person, why don't you go watch Sesame Street or something for a while.pjhorrex, you are seriously burying your head in the sand if you don't believe the gov will want to control how healthy we are so that we don't cost them too much... it's only a matter of time. The bigger government gets the more power they have and the more they can and will take from the people.When they're making you all line up and weigh in at tax time give me a call... we can talk then about what the government does and does not have the power to do. Or when you're being fined or carted off to jail for not having health insurance, we can talk then as well.
akchrsMar 23, 2010
Well for one my taxes will go up because I made the responsible decision to get a "Cadillac" plan.
greevarMar 23, 2010
There is no shortage of doctors in this country. What we lack is doctors that don't become specialists because the money is better. There is no shortage, only the perception of shortage.
Closed AccountMar 23, 2010
So let me get this straight - your solution is to fix the "American diet and overall way of life"? That's fine as far as it goes: obesity is known to be bad for the body in any number of ways. But what do you propose we do for kids with bone cancer, for the people with type 1 diabetes, for people with congenital organ disorders, for pregnant women, for people with AIDS or other autoimmune disorders - hell, for people who are just plain old?In addition, it's well known that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of the cure" - are you saying that we should avoid regular medical checkups now? Because no offense, but that's just daft. There's a vast difference between cultural hypochondria and simply taking basic care of your body - you know, just to catch small things at an easily-treatable stage.I'll readily agree that many Americans are overmedicated - things like ADHD are vastly over-diagnosed, imo, and way too many people pop antibiotics like candy whenever they get the sniffles. But that's not what causes most of the drain on health insurance providers, and that's not the sort of things for which we need doctors. And we don't have enough of those doctors - at least not ones willing to take on Medicare patients.So I ask you again: what is your solution for problems which **can't** be solved with a judicious mixture of "suck it up" and "walk it off"? It's all well and good to focus on nutrition, but it's just a minuscule part of the medical profession.
blakeemMar 23, 2010
Oh to add about India, this isn't to say that India has high quality care because they are still a rather poor country. What I am saying is that it's so cheap for basic services like an x-ray or MRI that you could fly out there and back and save money compared to the US system. This is because they don't have the insurance removing price incentive nor limits on doctors. Becoming a doctor in the US is very expensive and it shouldn't be. This is due to the AMA for having a monopoly on doctors and what schools can train them and how many they can train.
Closed AccountMar 23, 2010
"This was sold to us as health care for all, but none of this seems to actually guarantee that people won't still be denied."Perhaps the bill was actually designed to fail. I think it has failure written all over it. Either it's part of a grand political game or it's a large stepping stone for making the inevitable transition to a single payer system.When government regulation fails, we blame the free market and demand more government regulation. Funny how that is.
Closed AccountMar 23, 2010
It's interesting. Binkster went gradeschool with brainiac. pjhorrex stayed sensible and brought it in for a safe landing. I guess it's easier to hate something if it's generalized and has a silly name.
orangebobMar 23, 2010
"Does everyone understand that the salary for doctors will go down dramatically?"Why? Because you say so? More demand for doctors will cause their salary to decrease?
unclefireMar 23, 2010
They clearly didn't read it. Sec 207 says that the exchanges can be single state or multiple state exchanges (subject to approval of the commissioner).One other section (in the 200's as well) says that in order to participate in an exchange, a provider has to be licensed in that state. Remember, insurance is largely regulated at the STATE level. That's not going away even if the reform bill didn't pass.I don't know why people think buying across state lines is such a silver bullet. Many of the huge insurance companies have presence in many states - Aetna, BC/BS, United Health Care, etc. Buying a policy from another state doesn't get you much (if anything), they would still have to comply with the state's regulations anyway.
greevarMar 23, 2010
Don't be a moron. That doesn't mean nobody gets paid. It just means that ALL of the money that is paid to the health care provider goes to paying the employees instead of an "owner" or "shareholder" like corporations do. Doctors, nurses, orderlies, and what have you will still be paid. The money just goes directly to the upkeep of the hospital/clinic which includes everyone that works there.
jhhudsoMar 24, 2010
It is representative of the majority of voters, like myself, who voted for the people in power to enforce my will instead of yours.
daninspokaneMar 24, 2010
"Health Care Reformed: What Will Change for You?"You freedoms and liberties will slowly start being stripped away as Big Government continues to s**t on the Constitution. Put aside the politics - the back and forth bulls**t - the numbers - forget it all. On a basic level of liberty and freedom, this is yet another violation of our rights as humans beings and citizens of the greatest country on Earth.When the Government forces you to purchase a product from a private company / enroll in medicare or face a fine, there is a SERIOUS issue. This is the one thing people don't seem to understand, and it makes me worried. Sure we need reform. Sure the system is broken, but this is a flagrant violation of my free will to govern my body how I see fit.Sigh. /inb4 "libertarian gentlemen"
Closed AccountMar 24, 2010
I think the position of Republicans for November is even STRONGER than it was before. This bill is absolute garbage and any smart Republican incumbent or nominee that is running will be campaigning on Obama rammed this down our throat and we need to remove it/fix it. Combine that with Obama was more concerned about ramming this healthcare bill down our throat than the state of our nation's economy.They will have a very powerful platform. My only hope is that enough actually were truly brought back to conservatism as opposed to doing it because it's self-serving now and will forget about it later.
binksterjMar 24, 2010
Yes woflgang - I went "grade school" to make sure you all could understand what I was saying. I wouldn't want to confuse you by using big words. And honestly, why would I hate pjhorrex for debating my view points? Silly little person, why don't you go watch Sesame Street or something for a while.pjhorrex, you are seriously burying your head in the sand if you don't believe the gov will want to control how healthy we are so that we don't cost them too much... it's only a matter of time. The bigger government gets the more power they have and the more they can and will take from the people.When they're making you all line up and weigh in at tax time give me a call... we can talk then about what the government does and does not have the power to do. Or when you're being fined or carted off to jail for not having health insurance, we can talk then as well.