The people burying you got the office space reference already before you tried to correct these guys. These guys were just using that reference to make a joke about finalcloud33 saying "VERY LOAD NOISES!!!" He should have said loud, not load, so they said loud instead of load..... I can't believe I had to point this out....
Despite what snappy advertising will tell you Macs are Personal Computers. There are many manufacturers of Personal Computers, Hewlett Packard, Acer, Sony, Toshiba, Compaq, Dell etc etc. If you need a computer you can buy one from any of those manufacturers. Believe it or not their are Apple's competition and I'm sure Apple see them as such.Apple have to outdo the other hardware manufacturers. Also if you think Windows is so superior then surely keeping OS X to themselves isn't harming their competitors ability to compete?If you don't like the product Apple are selling buy a computer elsewhere. My PS3 has it's own operating system, should other manufacturers make similar hardware and demand to be able to run that operating system on that? No because Sony sell the Hardware and Software as a package. They put time and money into the operating system (and that's what it is) to help make their overall product better to compete with their competitors. On your analogy, the action you describe is deplorable because it is restricting Microsoft's customer ability to use the product they purchased from Microsoft in the manor they please. Apple have not however stopped in any way from being able to use the Personal Computer I bought from them.
1.) Let's look at the difference between an actual major version change in Windows and the jump from Vista to Windows 7.Windows 2000 was an extremely revolutionary change from Windows NT 4.0. It featured Active Directory, Group Policy, Distributed File System, Dynamic Disks, Disk Quotas, Encrypting File System, Remote Management through the Microsoft Management Console and the list went on... There was a new Kernel and a new Driver model. Windows 2000 represented a major, architectural change to the OS.Windows Vista represented a fairy major change as shipped. Aero certainly qualifies as a deep architectural change. If Vista had included the WinFS as planned and moved file storage into a SQL database that definitely would have represented a major change, unfortunately WinFS failed to pan out. Shadow Copy is a major change, although one only available on Ultimate, Business or Enterprise SKU's. Transactional NTFS is pretty damn neat. Indexed Search is nice. Even the much maligned User Account Control is a good idea with a poor implementation. Once again we got a new Kernel and new driver model.Once you toss out changes in Windows 7's version of Explorer (dock like taskbar, expose like aero peek), what are the deep architectural changes in Windows 7? There is a whole lot of enhancement to what has come before in Vista, but major architectural changes? Nope. It's great that they have improved stability and lowered resource requirements. But let's face it, those are the sort of changes that have traditionally come from a service pack. New versions of accessories like Wordpad, Paint, and the calculator just don't count as major change. Frankly, the best you can say is that Windows 7 is a version of Windows Vista that actually works worth a damn.As Microsoft Technet put it: "Windows 7 is built on the same basic architecture as Windows Vista"<a class="user" href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd350196.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd35019 ...</a>Or as Windows insider Paul Thurrot of the Windows Supersite said in his Windows 7 FAQ:*quote*Q: So is Windows 7 going to be a major Windows version?A: This one is complicated. Windows Vista was a major release, and Microsoft is positioning Windows 7 as a major release as well. However, the language Microsoft uses to describe the technical underpinnings of the Windows 7 suggest that this product will in fact be a minor release.*end quote*2.) In contrast to the Windows 7, Mac OS Snow Leopard includes actual architectural changes that advance the state of the art in the area of performance on machines with multiple cores. Grand Central Dispatch is a major change from the status quo of how multicore programming is carried out and it generates real performance increases.Since the OS and the programs included were rewritten to take advantage of Grand Central and OpenCL, speed ups of up to 100% have been witnessed in Snow Leopard versus Leopard when running on the same hardware.Likewise, initial testing of Photoshop CS4 which has not been rewritten *still* shows a 20% speed increase when running on Snow Leopard.<a class="user" href="http://blog.macsales.com/1811-snow-leopard-released-today-preliminary-testing-shows-that-cat-is-fast" rel="nofollow">http://blog.macsales.com/1811-snow-leopard-release ...</a>Unfortunately for Microsoft, when tested against Windows XP's performance when running on mulitple cores, Windows Vista and the Window 7 service pack show a large decrease in performance."Windows XP outpaced its younger siblings by a factor of two during multiprocess workload testing -- concurrent database, workflow, and multimedia tasks on our dual-core test bed and by up to 66 percent on our quad-core test bed."<a class="user" href="http://www.infoworld.com/t/platforms/generation-gap-windows-multicore-273?page=0,1" rel="nofollow">http://www.infoworld.com/t/platforms/generation-ga ...</a>3.) The 29 dollar Snow Leopard upgrade disk will upgrade Tiger or Leopard. It will also preform a clean install of the OS. It has no serial number. It has no activation process. None of it's features are intentionally disabled so Apple can force you to buy a more expensive version.The 219 dollar Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade disk will upgrade Windows Vista ONLY and not XP. (XP users must back up their data, install Windows 7, restore their data files, and reinstall all their software.) Windows 7 does have a serial number. It has an activation process. It does include all the OS features, but costs more than 13 times as much as the Snow Leopard upgrade. The cheaper versions of Windows 7 exclude important features no home user should be without. For example, the automatic file backup feature, Time Machine, is available to all Snow Leopard users, yet has no counterpart except in the Ultimate version of Windows 7.4.) Windows 2000 dropped support for PowerPC processors that Windows NT had previously supported just as Snow Leopard dropped support for them. Microsoft also dropped support for DEC's Alpha, and Sun's MIPS processors in Windows 2000. Somehow the world kept turning.
@ paradigmx, RE: " .. Windows XP: You don't realize just how broke it is until you play with the fix that is Windows 7."I dig you up since your comparison is valid. Windows 7 is far and away the best Windows OS, ever.However, I develop software for Windows, Linux, SCO Unix, AIX, and (recently) OSX.OSX is the best desktop OS that I have ever used (although it's development platform is only just recently up to the same standards as the rest of the OS).
@ CowGoesMooo, RE: " Let me ask you pixxeldust, what would you call Expose? "Zoom-out-all-windows-so-you-can-see-s**t"?Wow, now THAT would actually be kind of cool for Apple to market an OSX with an enhanced "Zoom-out-all-windows-so-you-can-see-s**t" feature...
paradigmxAug 29, 2009
If I don't run Windows, how in the f**k am I supposed to play, lets see, 80% of the PC games on the market?
eadnamsAug 29, 2009
wrong thread, bury away.
cyrixAug 29, 2009
The people burying you got the office space reference already before you tried to correct these guys. These guys were just using that reference to make a joke about finalcloud33 saying "VERY LOAD NOISES!!!" He should have said loud, not load, so they said loud instead of load..... I can't believe I had to point this out....
redgiementalAug 29, 2009
Despite what snappy advertising will tell you Macs are Personal Computers. There are many manufacturers of Personal Computers, Hewlett Packard, Acer, Sony, Toshiba, Compaq, Dell etc etc. If you need a computer you can buy one from any of those manufacturers. Believe it or not their are Apple's competition and I'm sure Apple see them as such.Apple have to outdo the other hardware manufacturers. Also if you think Windows is so superior then surely keeping OS X to themselves isn't harming their competitors ability to compete?If you don't like the product Apple are selling buy a computer elsewhere. My PS3 has it's own operating system, should other manufacturers make similar hardware and demand to be able to run that operating system on that? No because Sony sell the Hardware and Software as a package. They put time and money into the operating system (and that's what it is) to help make their overall product better to compete with their competitors. On your analogy, the action you describe is deplorable because it is restricting Microsoft's customer ability to use the product they purchased from Microsoft in the manor they please. Apple have not however stopped in any way from being able to use the Personal Computer I bought from them.
Closed AccountAug 29, 2009
1.) Let's look at the difference between an actual major version change in Windows and the jump from Vista to Windows 7.Windows 2000 was an extremely revolutionary change from Windows NT 4.0. It featured Active Directory, Group Policy, Distributed File System, Dynamic Disks, Disk Quotas, Encrypting File System, Remote Management through the Microsoft Management Console and the list went on... There was a new Kernel and a new Driver model. Windows 2000 represented a major, architectural change to the OS.Windows Vista represented a fairy major change as shipped. Aero certainly qualifies as a deep architectural change. If Vista had included the WinFS as planned and moved file storage into a SQL database that definitely would have represented a major change, unfortunately WinFS failed to pan out. Shadow Copy is a major change, although one only available on Ultimate, Business or Enterprise SKU's. Transactional NTFS is pretty damn neat. Indexed Search is nice. Even the much maligned User Account Control is a good idea with a poor implementation. Once again we got a new Kernel and new driver model.Once you toss out changes in Windows 7's version of Explorer (dock like taskbar, expose like aero peek), what are the deep architectural changes in Windows 7? There is a whole lot of enhancement to what has come before in Vista, but major architectural changes? Nope. It's great that they have improved stability and lowered resource requirements. But let's face it, those are the sort of changes that have traditionally come from a service pack. New versions of accessories like Wordpad, Paint, and the calculator just don't count as major change. Frankly, the best you can say is that Windows 7 is a version of Windows Vista that actually works worth a damn.As Microsoft Technet put it: "Windows 7 is built on the same basic architecture as Windows Vista"<a class="user" href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd350196.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd35019 ...</a>Or as Windows insider Paul Thurrot of the Windows Supersite said in his Windows 7 FAQ:*quote*Q: So is Windows 7 going to be a major Windows version?A: This one is complicated. Windows Vista was a major release, and Microsoft is positioning Windows 7 as a major release as well. However, the language Microsoft uses to describe the technical underpinnings of the Windows 7 suggest that this product will in fact be a minor release.*end quote*2.) In contrast to the Windows 7, Mac OS Snow Leopard includes actual architectural changes that advance the state of the art in the area of performance on machines with multiple cores. Grand Central Dispatch is a major change from the status quo of how multicore programming is carried out and it generates real performance increases.Since the OS and the programs included were rewritten to take advantage of Grand Central and OpenCL, speed ups of up to 100% have been witnessed in Snow Leopard versus Leopard when running on the same hardware.Likewise, initial testing of Photoshop CS4 which has not been rewritten *still* shows a 20% speed increase when running on Snow Leopard.<a class="user" href="http://blog.macsales.com/1811-snow-leopard-released-today-preliminary-testing-shows-that-cat-is-fast" rel="nofollow">http://blog.macsales.com/1811-snow-leopard-release ...</a>Unfortunately for Microsoft, when tested against Windows XP's performance when running on mulitple cores, Windows Vista and the Window 7 service pack show a large decrease in performance."Windows XP outpaced its younger siblings by a factor of two during multiprocess workload testing -- concurrent database, workflow, and multimedia tasks on our dual-core test bed and by up to 66 percent on our quad-core test bed."<a class="user" href="http://www.infoworld.com/t/platforms/generation-gap-windows-multicore-273?page=0,1" rel="nofollow">http://www.infoworld.com/t/platforms/generation-ga ...</a>3.) The 29 dollar Snow Leopard upgrade disk will upgrade Tiger or Leopard. It will also preform a clean install of the OS. It has no serial number. It has no activation process. None of it's features are intentionally disabled so Apple can force you to buy a more expensive version.The 219 dollar Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade disk will upgrade Windows Vista ONLY and not XP. (XP users must back up their data, install Windows 7, restore their data files, and reinstall all their software.) Windows 7 does have a serial number. It has an activation process. It does include all the OS features, but costs more than 13 times as much as the Snow Leopard upgrade. The cheaper versions of Windows 7 exclude important features no home user should be without. For example, the automatic file backup feature, Time Machine, is available to all Snow Leopard users, yet has no counterpart except in the Ultimate version of Windows 7.4.) Windows 2000 dropped support for PowerPC processors that Windows NT had previously supported just as Snow Leopard dropped support for them. Microsoft also dropped support for DEC's Alpha, and Sun's MIPS processors in Windows 2000. Somehow the world kept turning.
mrbitchAug 30, 2009
What about Windows 7 vs plain old Leopard (without the snow) ?Windows 7 is still catching up with Leopard.
mrbitchAug 30, 2009
@ paradigmx, RE: " .. Windows XP: You don't realize just how broke it is until you play with the fix that is Windows 7."I dig you up since your comparison is valid. Windows 7 is far and away the best Windows OS, ever.However, I develop software for Windows, Linux, SCO Unix, AIX, and (recently) OSX.OSX is the best desktop OS that I have ever used (although it's development platform is only just recently up to the same standards as the rest of the OS).
mrbitchAug 30, 2009
@ CowGoesMooo, RE: " Let me ask you pixxeldust, what would you call Expose? "Zoom-out-all-windows-so-you-can-see-s**t"?Wow, now THAT would actually be kind of cool for Apple to market an OSX with an enhanced "Zoom-out-all-windows-so-you-can-see-s**t" feature...
squarewheelSep 2, 2009
I don't think anybody gets the reference.