iht.com— The crew of the Soyuz capsule that landed in Kazakhstan hundreds of kilometers (miles) off-target after an unexpectedly severe descent was in serious danger, a Russian news agency reported Tuesday...
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you are exactly right. this headline thing just doesn't represent reality. the thing that should be important is that it couldn't have gone much worse and they landed in one piece only a couple hundred miles from where they should have. the russians have crewing a space station and going up and back routinely for years... we [US] were bumming time on their space craft and their space station for years when our clean white shuttles were grounded for safety. . and they have had ONLY three bad rides home all of which landed safely. the russian [soviet] program is conducted differently than ours [IS]... they find a design and they just keep making it better. the spacecraft they use today are improvements on the ones they flew during the apollo years. frankly, its a better way to conduct the business of space. if i had a choice to ride a shuttle up and back or a russian space craft up and back i'd take the russian ride without a second thought. people have a tendency to knock russian tech and point out how dangerous mir was but the real story is that while we were sitting on our hands they were permanently in space learning how to stay alive. they have the market cornered on "how to stay alive." any of us could live in a working space station or moon base... but things get old... and need fixing. when things go wrong as they always will you either live or die by your own hands and experience. the russians have proven you can survive everything from fires to collisions. the only imperical proof we can survive can live long term on the moon or mars or free space is russian experience. nothing has gone drastically wrong on the ISS in great part because of experience with mir. it hasn't been tested with fire or the other things that will go worng. that is the real story.
I am not so sure that is true. The Soviet space program suffered many more catastrophic accidents than the US space program did, particularly the R16 incident.
butros-> But who put the first man in space? Neil Armstrong was a hero, no doubt, but also was Yuri Gagaryn.When will we learn that not everything is a COMPETITION
i don't think any astronaut or cosmonaut would approve of a score card. the numbers are an apples and oranges comparison and the differences are not statistically significant. both programs had military and political pressure put on them that stupidly risk lives. that R-16 explosion is a good example. the challenger was another. the whole shuttle program was compromised when they cut the original booster design. there were many engineers that thought it was a really bad decision that was almost certain to kill astronauts. both the shuttle losses have been due to that compromise. we've killed our share. if you want to talk race to the moon you'd have to include that the russians just conceded because it was too risky for the crew. not because it was impossible to overcome the US program. it was risky and "maybe" it would have been riskier for them... maybe... the LM ascent engine had a 50% failure rate. look at the result. we never followed up on that "victory." the russians diverted their resources to building space stations. they created the experience needed to stay alive. if humans survive long into the future it will be russian cosmonauts and american astronauts that made it possible. they won't be remembered as americans and russians. the cold war is over. we all lost. <a class="user" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fallen_Astronau">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fallen_Astronau</a> ...
The article says no such thing. You probably read that elsewhere. Nowhere in the linked article is the propulsion module even mentioned.Teach yourself to read before lecturing others, Deputy Fife..
Closed AccountApr 23, 2008
you make me horny.
bowdieApr 23, 2008
Inanimate carbon rod to the rescue!
xmkrxApr 23, 2008
The black box survives because it's made out of heavy, durable materials. If they made the plane out of the same stuff, it wouldn't be able to fly. :P
starmanjonesApr 23, 2008
you are exactly right. this headline thing just doesn't represent reality. the thing that should be important is that it couldn't have gone much worse and they landed in one piece only a couple hundred miles from where they should have. the russians have crewing a space station and going up and back routinely for years... we [US] were bumming time on their space craft and their space station for years when our clean white shuttles were grounded for safety. . and they have had ONLY three bad rides home all of which landed safely. the russian [soviet] program is conducted differently than ours [IS]... they find a design and they just keep making it better. the spacecraft they use today are improvements on the ones they flew during the apollo years. frankly, its a better way to conduct the business of space. if i had a choice to ride a shuttle up and back or a russian space craft up and back i'd take the russian ride without a second thought. people have a tendency to knock russian tech and point out how dangerous mir was but the real story is that while we were sitting on our hands they were permanently in space learning how to stay alive. they have the market cornered on "how to stay alive." any of us could live in a working space station or moon base... but things get old... and need fixing. when things go wrong as they always will you either live or die by your own hands and experience. the russians have proven you can survive everything from fires to collisions. the only imperical proof we can survive can live long term on the moon or mars or free space is russian experience. nothing has gone drastically wrong on the ISS in great part because of experience with mir. it hasn't been tested with fire or the other things that will go worng. that is the real story.
bosskeyApr 23, 2008
I am not so sure that is true. The Soviet space program suffered many more catastrophic accidents than the US space program did, particularly the R16 incident.
abuelos84Apr 23, 2008
butros-> But who put the first man in space? Neil Armstrong was a hero, no doubt, but also was Yuri Gagaryn.When will we learn that not everything is a COMPETITION
babywookieApr 24, 2008
There is a Soviet flag on the Moon. The Luna 10 lander brought it there.
starmanjonesApr 24, 2008
i don't think any astronaut or cosmonaut would approve of a score card. the numbers are an apples and oranges comparison and the differences are not statistically significant. both programs had military and political pressure put on them that stupidly risk lives. that R-16 explosion is a good example. the challenger was another. the whole shuttle program was compromised when they cut the original booster design. there were many engineers that thought it was a really bad decision that was almost certain to kill astronauts. both the shuttle losses have been due to that compromise. we've killed our share. if you want to talk race to the moon you'd have to include that the russians just conceded because it was too risky for the crew. not because it was impossible to overcome the US program. it was risky and "maybe" it would have been riskier for them... maybe... the LM ascent engine had a 50% failure rate. look at the result. we never followed up on that "victory." the russians diverted their resources to building space stations. they created the experience needed to stay alive. if humans survive long into the future it will be russian cosmonauts and american astronauts that made it possible. they won't be remembered as americans and russians. the cold war is over. we all lost. <a class="user" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fallen_Astronau">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fallen_Astronau</a> ...
mrjahMay 21, 2008
The article says no such thing. You probably read that elsewhere. Nowhere in the linked article is the propulsion module even mentioned.Teach yourself to read before lecturing others, Deputy Fife..