9rules.com— Nowadays is easy to get your code written by an editor, but are you learning how things really work??? Interesting read
Sep 30, 2005View in Crawl 4
"I like a mix of both... if I'm doing a complex page layout, it's nice to be able to rough it in with a wysiwyg editor and then tweak it/insert code by hand to finish it off.Now if I could just get Visual Studio.net to quit trashing my html..."You have a valid point there. Try n-vu (Linux, Mac, Windows) or TSW-webcoder (only Windows).I've only used hand coding, but will like to have a WYSIWYG editor for quick scraps and experimentations (I learn some html swithcing from WYSIWYG to hand coding).
Yes, you need hand coding experience to truly understand and appreciate - but it's not necessary.... If the program is good enough, it really isn't. I know the roots of web design, I know the roots of programming, etc, I understand how they all work...but I'm not stuck up about it. I don't hold myself higher over those who can't. If somebody uses an app to make a page and he hasn't written anything in any scripting language before, and it's better than anything I could do with notepad, I wouldn't go all crazy geek nerd rambo on him and whine about how he doesn't understand what he's doing... Really, people. The name of the game is web design, not who knows more about it. A gay guy could spend a month or two with dreamweaver and get his own HGTV-style show and design things better than you ever could....
Anyone one getting paid to develop for the web, whether they consider themselves a "designer" or "app programmer" should damn well know what the hell they're doing. If they're using a WYSIWYG editor....chances are they don't. Or they're having to go behind the WYSIWYG editor and clean up the code....which means that the efficiency that they're claiming they gain using the editor is all bulls**t.Hand-coding is the only acceptable route that a professional should be taking. Period.
I tutor people in graphic design in the college I attend and there's ALWAYS someone who's taking a class in dreamweaver that comes in completely lost. I always end up then showing them the basic codes for a HTML website. Usually then they can start understanding all the things they did wrong through the program's interface.
WYSIWYG programming makes you become an expert in the programming IDE. Handcoding makes you become an expert in the programming language. Which would you rather have under your belt?
WYSIWYG is f**king awful for site design. WYSIWYGs only use is for like updating the news section, a mundane task. but with themagic of CSS even thats easy with HANDCODING hah hah hah
""'WYSIWYG editors give the s**ttiest code ever.'Maybe s**tty ones do... Try all ends of the field before opening your mouth."compu7 is right, all WYSIWYG put out crappy, full of unwanted code.I handcode all my stuff.... well minus big javascripts..."javascript is a sin.
twistymcgeeSep 30, 2005
My opinion is to learn how to do it by hand, then use the tools that make it easier and faster to develop projects.
anagamiOct 1, 2005
"I like a mix of both... if I'm doing a complex page layout, it's nice to be able to rough it in with a wysiwyg editor and then tweak it/insert code by hand to finish it off.Now if I could just get Visual Studio.net to quit trashing my html..."You have a valid point there. Try n-vu (Linux, Mac, Windows) or TSW-webcoder (only Windows).I've only used hand coding, but will like to have a WYSIWYG editor for quick scraps and experimentations (I learn some html swithcing from WYSIWYG to hand coding).
rpgactionOct 1, 2005
Yes, you need hand coding experience to truly understand and appreciate - but it's not necessary.... If the program is good enough, it really isn't. I know the roots of web design, I know the roots of programming, etc, I understand how they all work...but I'm not stuck up about it. I don't hold myself higher over those who can't. If somebody uses an app to make a page and he hasn't written anything in any scripting language before, and it's better than anything I could do with notepad, I wouldn't go all crazy geek nerd rambo on him and whine about how he doesn't understand what he's doing... Really, people. The name of the game is web design, not who knows more about it. A gay guy could spend a month or two with dreamweaver and get his own HGTV-style show and design things better than you ever could....
compu73rg33kOct 1, 2005
WYSIWYG editors give the s**ttiest code ever. Don't use them. Code by hand. Learn. It's not hard.
Closed AccountOct 1, 2005
Anyone one getting paid to develop for the web, whether they consider themselves a "designer" or "app programmer" should damn well know what the hell they're doing. If they're using a WYSIWYG editor....chances are they don't. Or they're having to go behind the WYSIWYG editor and clean up the code....which means that the efficiency that they're claiming they gain using the editor is all bulls**t.Hand-coding is the only acceptable route that a professional should be taking. Period.
micromauseOct 2, 2005
Handcode + Auto-Complete Editor = Best! =D
mikereadsOct 2, 2005
I tutor people in graphic design in the college I attend and there's ALWAYS someone who's taking a class in dreamweaver that comes in completely lost. I always end up then showing them the basic codes for a HTML website. Usually then they can start understanding all the things they did wrong through the program's interface.
nsxroxOct 3, 2005
WYSIWYG programming makes you become an expert in the programming IDE. Handcoding makes you become an expert in the programming language. Which would you rather have under your belt?
Closed AccountOct 4, 2005
WYSIWYG is f**king awful for site design. WYSIWYGs only use is for like updating the news section, a mundane task. but with themagic of CSS even thats easy with HANDCODING hah hah hah
Closed AccountOct 4, 2005
""'WYSIWYG editors give the s**ttiest code ever.'Maybe s**tty ones do... Try all ends of the field before opening your mouth."compu7 is right, all WYSIWYG put out crappy, full of unwanted code.I handcode all my stuff.... well minus big javascripts..."javascript is a sin.