infoworld.com — HTML 5, a groundbreaking upgrade to the prominent Web presentation specification, could become a game-changer in Web application development, one that might even make obsolete such plug-in-based rich Internet application (RIA) technologies as Adobe Flash, Microsoft Silverlight, and Sun JavaFX.
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jmferrisJun 17, 2009
You have to consider the target markets. Flash has become the de facto standard for animated content on the web. It really does stand to lose the most. Silverlight, however it is currently marketed, still has a very good chance of being a channel for distribution of applications. Microsoft is putting a lot of weight behind it, and the effort that they are putting into the CoreCLR is a testament to the fact that it is something that they have broader visions for than serving ads and playing games online. Given the tooling available, along with the platform, it is rapidly becoming more and more viable as a channel for distributing applications to fill business needs.HTML 5 might have an <audio /> and <video /> tag, but that is not what is driving Silverlight. Granted, it is the most common usage we have seen, to date, but how many companies would love to distribute rich applications in a browser that do not look like a web application - and, with some recent examples, can be "undocked" from the browser and placed on the desktop to run like a standard WinForms app? There is definitely some buzz building around it.
revenzJun 18, 2009
i dont see anything that needs it to be 100% flash. i could have loaded and closed the page a lot quicker if it was html
emyoJun 18, 2009
As a front end developer I am all for HTML. One of the programmers at my work have used webkit for one of our small apps and it was great and quick. But it makes for more effort for styling up outside of its built in styles, unless its the developers lack of consideration for generating simple HTML. I am not sure...Honestly, I still rather HTML up a form than getting something to generate it. I think i have taken a slight tangent from your discussion...
Closed AccountJun 19, 2009
Speaking as a professional web developer, there comes a time when you need to stop worrying about people using IE 5.0 or Netscape 2.0. THey need to upgrade their browser. When half the internet doesn't render correctly, it is time to step away from your Amiga and get a new system.
c0mpu73Jun 24, 2009
Windows 7 Comes out in august 09, 2 months from now.
bizworkoutJun 28, 2009
If HTML 5 can do the same tasks as Silverlight with less complexity then I am sure even Microsoft will adapt to it. Companies however big have to understand and take into account client needs or they simply lose customer base
impedance101Jul 4, 2009
Isn't it harder for search engines to search full-flash sites?
one1plus1oneJul 6, 2009
Ya... you hit the nail right on the head kevisazombie. When I want to see some hot cuming action (on two hot chicks simultaneously, spraying all over their face and boobs) and I hit the back tab, and it brings me to the beginning of the video, and I have to wait 5 minutes again, for the climatic scene, it tends to tick me off and doesn't put Flash in a positive light.Flash has ruined porn for an entire generation of adolescents and for that they can never be forgiven. Damn them! Adobe sucks.
Closed AccountJul 6, 2009
Show me the part where Flash has hardware video acceleration. Or the ability to use different codecs for videos...please.
pokobuntAug 25, 2009
This has some HTML5 experiments too!<a class="user" href="http://www.chromeexperiments.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chromeexperiments.com/</a>
brownr21Nov 1, 2009
You're still alive?
andrewforflexNov 22, 2009
Yea guys I'm backing this. It seems this whole argument about killing flash is interesting, but everyone seems to be referring to Flash as a way of streaming video and skip into. Flash has gone so much further now since the Flex framework and is a true application development platform with a number of backend services which is growing all the time. HMTL 5 seems good, and its about time HTML catches up, but its all old hat to those of us who develop in Flex and indeed Silverlight etc.As a Flex developer I can only say before you guys make too many assumptions about Flash you should check out the Flex Framework. This contains a huge amount of classes, frameworks and full OOP programming language for developing applications. This is a really fast and structured way to begin building RIAs. Don't get me wrong, HTML, CSS etc, that has its place for building websites and is great for SEO (something Flash falls down on at present). You should also check out AIR and how you can build Off line locally installed apps that work with no web connection and can sync whenever one is found. For me Flex, Flash Air and the upcoming full flash player 10.1 for mobile devices, provide a consistent way of developing apps across all browsers, native platforms and mobile devices. Personally I don;t miss the this is ok in Firefox, nearly there in Safari, but what the hell with IE 6, 7 etc CSS bugs and browser issues.I think everyone just needs to remember everything has its place, HTML etc, great for websites, gets better with AJAX but for me, Flash and the Flex Framework is the tops at present for Rich Internet Applications. Oh yea and also Silverlight, same thing as Flex for those .NET guys.
dunkhyFeb 7, 2010
well, i agree with most of you here that too often flash is used in a poor way, so as another group here i think that it does not mean that flash is poor itself, even if far from being perfect (heavy proc loads, lot of memory used...)but as some did i wont use this thread to add a link to my fantastic own company site, but to the one i think where flash is used in its proper way. and i would like to have an idea of when/if it will be possible to do exactly the same (not near, but the same!) in html5.a proper pag to start the study and look if you could do so without flash<a class="user" href="http://www.rolex.com/en#/rolex-watches/yacht-masterii/introduction/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rolex.com/en#/rolex-watches/yacht-maste ...</a>
demonmongerSep 9, 2010
A lot of people claim HTML5 will kill off plugins like Flash and Silverlight, but that simply isn't the case.
Take for instance, this scenario.
Load a binary file over a url. For the sake of the demo, we'll use shapefile format (.shp), which contains geographical polygons in a coordinate system.
Parse the byte contents client side.
Draw the contents in an efficient manner.
Demo: http://www.libertyvanguard.com/applications/LibertyGISDemo/LibertyGISDemo.html
Overview: http://www.libertyvanguard.com/liberty-gis
This is just one example where plugin technology won't be replace by HTML5. If someone can reproduce this in HTML5, then go ahead and link.