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Closed AccountJun 15, 2007
seems like theyre trying to let the basement programmers back in the game with "simple" tags for people who can't/dont want to use CSS. a div and a css id/class could replace more than half of those new tags
johnnysoftwareNov 9, 2011
Right, but section has a pretty universal meaning.
Whereas, <div class="mychapter"> and <span class="importantstuff"> have no universal meaning at all, other than a block of something and a run of something.
Sometimes, more people use your site's content than your original team realized when it created it or at least the surface of it. In fact, that starts happening as soon as Google's crawler starts trying to understand it and index it.
Closed AccountJun 16, 2007
freddo, that is a horrible idea.
fkr3Jun 16, 2007
By the time they finish writing the spec for HTML5 and browsers implement it, we'll all be retired./yawns
tybrisJun 16, 2007
They think HTML and CSS should separate semantics from style. However no one really cares about your semantics and CSS is such a poor styling language that your HTML documents will still be full of meaningless styling tags.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
zoebeeJun 16, 2007
Diegoferreyra's actually right on this one. To clarify: an XHTML document is only valid if the HTTP header for its content type is set to "application/xhtml+xml", not "text/html". The reason that, for example, Digg loads in IE while XHTML documents with the correct content type don't is because its content type is for HTML, not XHTML, regardless of what the HTML headers (not to be confused with HTTP headers) say.The W3C information is here:<a class="user" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020430/#summary">http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020430/#summary</a>The essay on why you should be using HTML until IE sorts out its XHTML content type recognition is here:<a class="user" href="http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml">http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml</a>You can verify digg.com's HTTP headers using the command "curl -I digg.com". Note the line "Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8".Zoe.
thomashaukJun 16, 2007
Cause it not like they use redirects to do this alredy....
spatulasJun 19, 2007
According to <a class="user" href="http://blog.whatwg.org/faq/#schedule">http://blog.whatwg.org/faq/#schedule</a> the spec won't even be COMPLETED for 15 years (is that 15 years total? if so it's down to 12 years now), and the recommendation will probably take a bit on top of that. The good news is that browsers are already implementing it, but the bad news is that there is no way to tell when IE will implement a functional (ie. can be used as intended to a reasonable degree) version of it...
pfwdJun 24, 2007
Sounds good. I'm glad that elements are now starting to become tighter in their uses. Would be good to know when browsers are going to implement this as it looks like a good step in the right direction.
akaroaJun 19, 2008
XHTML5 is actually the replacement for XHTML1 and XHTML2, but unfortunately the W3C doesn't want to admit this just yet. Any good ideas from the XHTML2 spec have already been added to the (X)HTML5 spec so there simply isn't any need for XHTML2 anymore, it's become outdated and irrelevant to the web of today, which is probably a result of it being developed in a closed group without input from the public and browser vendors.
akaroaJun 19, 2008
XHTML5 is the next version of XHTML.Everything that can be done in XHTML2 can be done in XHTML5 like XForms for example, plus you have all the new features like the video, audio, and canvas tags. Also, all of the good browsers already support some of XHTML5 and are working everyday to increase this support.
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johnnysoftwareNov 9, 2011
One of the things that surprised me about HTML 5 when I first looked at it a few years ago was that it was sliding from its origin as a pretty explicit/direct markup language, toward a much higher level, logical rather than physical, semantic language with lots of room for indirect control to enable repurposing/restyling content and presentation.
It sort of is growing to resemble DocBook a little too, isn't it?
What is also weird is that HTML 5 seemingly intends to drive a heart through XHTML which was the future-HTML heir apparent for quite a few years.
I am not really skeptical about HTML 5. I just find it interesting all of the forces still existing to tug at web technology, keeping it from settling down or being predictable in the very, very long term sense.
And I wonder how many people notice this. Or think about its implications.
Imagine what it will be like to be an archivist in charge of curating 1993-2015 web documents, content, and apps/databases in 2025.
Well, thank goodness it is not stagnating.