@bromacHe never said it wasn't easy. It's certainly possible though. Given enough time, people will find a way around it. Hopefully it isn't so long that the format is obsolete.
I don't' see the Average consumer blaming "Best Buy, or Paramount, or Gods forbid, the MPAA!!!." They will blame the the HD-DVD or Blue-Ray player. The manufacture of the their set-top box. "Damn machine, only had it three months months and its already broke. They just can't make crap that lasts anymore." The average consumer knows nothing of encryption or revocable keys and cares even less. If the MPAA Really wants to crack down it would require a new format that is ONLY available on set-top boxes, taking the PC out of the loop. As long asit is playable on a PC it will be cracked.
"it would be great if there could be a function to do all the heavy lifting for this built into Handbrake or the new offshoot MediaFork so that it's no different than processing DVDs."Yes, that would be called AnyDVD-HD. Coming soon, it will automatically strip AACS protection from any HD-DVD disc transparently to the player. So you'll even be able to play a disc with vanilla MPC or VLC.
it will be a sad day for the hacker community when DRM is replaced with quantum key infrastructures.at defcon someone once said, that if you can design something right the fist time than you do not need any tools to know how it works, but if you make mistakes along the way, and you need to discover those mistakes, then you must create tools to discover how it works, and as such you create the tools for someone else to discover how it works and how to copy it circumvent it.the current set of DRM is not absolute security, it is just a time sink, much like the lock on your homes door. anyone can get past it with knowledge and effort, and if someone whom with you did not invite enters your home, well, you might have a problem with that. however, the problem with DRM is that most of the time it will not let you into your own home, and I HAVE AN EVEN BIGGER PROBLEM WITH THAT.If i buy a movie, i should have the right to put it on any electronic device i own! I should buy the right to show it to any reasonable number of friends and family, provided i am not profiting from it. If i want to profit from a showing, i should easily be able to acquire those rights, it should be INSTANT, and it should be included on any player, from an ipod, zune, replayTV, TIVO, DVD, HD DVD, xbox360, and blu-ray players. If i pay for something as a pay per view, it should let me what it once anywhere, even if i start watching it on one device and finish it on another.What we need are a set of consumer bill of DRM rights. We have rights toooooo, not just the copyright holders. From what I know, DVDs were cracked with decss because there was not a linux player, so he made one anyway he could. If DRM advocates want it MAKE IT FRAKEN transparent, MAKE IT FRAKEN simple. I do not want to pay extra for a digital version if it means that in a fire or a hard drive failure i have to buy it again. WE need to change the culture now, before DRM actually works with tech like quantum keys.
Damn this HD crap is getting out of hand, how many times until it stops being funny and just another stupid twelve hour fad? About 500 posts ago. Perhaps if I compare you all to Hitler this will end?
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warbladeFeb 13, 2007
@bromacHe never said it wasn't easy. It's certainly possible though. Given enough time, people will find a way around it. Hopefully it isn't so long that the format is obsolete.
laser314Feb 13, 2007
I don't' see the Average consumer blaming "Best Buy, or Paramount, or Gods forbid, the MPAA!!!." They will blame the the HD-DVD or Blue-Ray player. The manufacture of the their set-top box. "Damn machine, only had it three months months and its already broke. They just can't make crap that lasts anymore." The average consumer knows nothing of encryption or revocable keys and cares even less. If the MPAA Really wants to crack down it would require a new format that is ONLY available on set-top boxes, taking the PC out of the loop. As long asit is playable on a PC it will be cracked.
postmaster3000Feb 14, 2007
"it would be great if there could be a function to do all the heavy lifting for this built into Handbrake or the new offshoot MediaFork so that it's no different than processing DVDs."Yes, that would be called AnyDVD-HD. Coming soon, it will automatically strip AACS protection from any HD-DVD disc transparently to the player. So you'll even be able to play a disc with vanilla MPC or VLC.
jdavidFeb 14, 2007
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classicoMay 1, 2007
Damn this HD crap is getting out of hand, how many times until it stops being funny and just another stupid twelve hour fad? About 500 posts ago. Perhaps if I compare you all to Hitler this will end?
classicoMay 1, 2007
HAHA, All your base are belong to us. Ad Hitlerum strikes again.
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HD-DVD code leaked on purpose to kill Sony Blu-Ray format.
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