osx86project.org — Why aren't we dual booting Windows on the Intel Macs? Money. ($12,088 to be exact) Check out this great commentary from the OSx86 Project on why greed is actually slowing progress... not encouraging it.
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vonskippyFeb 23, 2006
Who Cares. Why would a Mac Fanboy want to run WinXP, they've already proven their too stupid to use a real OS by buying a Mac. On the other hand, what WinXP user would be stupid enough to pay for the over priced MacIntel when they can get any old Intel hardware for a fraction of the price? This is a non-problem problem invented by a few Mac Fanboys that need something to whine about.
wroachFeb 23, 2006
To continue on what inkswamp said, register a team, project or foundation with a clear statement of what you'll do with the money. OS contributers are good, charitable and honest people. So IMHO if a well known OS contributer leads the team there are are no reasons people would not join in.
Closed AccountFeb 23, 2006
"The other way around (running OS X on a non-Mac with a BIOS) seems to have been a relatively easy hack mainly because of the way OS X is designed and organized (IE: not an utter engineering and organizational disaster that is Windows)" -zodiemanBy "OS X is designed" I'm sure you mean BSD?
geminitojanusFeb 23, 2006
"I think the main reason people are not dual booting XP and OS X on the Intel Macs is...1. Intel Macs don't support booting from "normal" bootable pc CD's (e.g. El Torito or UDF)2. XP does not have an EFI boot loader3. XP doesn't run on EFI BIOS'sBut hey, that's just my opinion."And it's a damned good one at that. $12k or not, it's simply not a task to be undertaken by one person and completed in any reasonable amount of time. Sure, offering an award could provide this sort of "all for themselves" attitude, but you know, it's just not something that's easily done. I should have started a site to collect bets on what this guy's going to do with the $12k after the project fails. He /says/ he'll give it back. But, because he used PayPal there's really nothing stopping him. Can't wait until he vanishes and I can laugh my ass off at every contributor.
foxhoundadminFeb 23, 2006
lmao! so true, geminitojanus. glad to see not every digg user is a complete moron.to everybody else,STOP IT WITH THE CHILDISH COMMENTS, like "d0z dosnt belong n a mac!!1" or "y wud u waant 2 pay a billion dollars for a mac wen u can install mac on a dell??"maybe some mac owners would like to install windows on their machine. i'm sure there's a lot out there. also, maybe some windows users would "switch" to a mac if they could use windows as well. THERE! two very simple, clear as crystal answers for you mac, and anti-mac fanboys out there. DAMN!
spamdiesFeb 23, 2006
I would have thought the lack of a target audience would be the real factor in slowing down that progect.
beagle72Feb 23, 2006
There seems to be a fascinating culture clash between the Mac community and the "hacker" community. I don't necessarily mean "hacker" in the malicious sense. This clash comes up time and again in these threads, and seems to be intensifying with Apple's move to Intel, pushing these separate worlds closer together. In the hacker mindset, pursuing myriad permutations of projects -- running X on Y, booting B on A, patching C to run D -- is not always a means to an end, but an end in itself. It is done for the process, for the engineering. It is done, often, because it is there. Many interesting human achievements have come from this motivation.Strangely, despite their "Think Different" slogan, it seems that many traditional Mac users hold very conservative views about technology. They wonder "why do this?" "why bother with that?" The refrain heard over and over -- "why not just buy a mac?" The subtext being, why not take the easiest road available? Why would your needs and interests differ from mine? This represents the very homogenous mindset that critics of Apple and their community latch onto. Ultimately the culture clash comes from hackers being reductionists and Apple loyalists being holistic. To hackers the "magic" of computers is that there is no magic. These are machines and not greater than the sums of their parts. So how can we tinker with and recombine their parts to make new and different machines? To the holistics, the machine is greater than the sum of its parts, and reducing it to recombinable silicon bits is a violation of its 'soul'.I would caution the holistics to recognize that many of the innovations integrated into the 'soul' of their machines grew out of the tinkerings and recombinations pursued by hackers. You could almost call the process 'darwinian'. Ah,the smell of irony in the morning.