blakeross.com — "Over at ZDNet, Microsoft employee John Carroll makes the case that his company’s monopolistic tactics over the past decade have in fact benefited our industry, and cites Internet Explorer as an example. Without preinstalling Internet Explorer, he says, how would anyone download Firefox? How would open-source markets grow?"
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cypher35Mar 29, 2006
"Some of us are not from America or England. Be glad we can make ourselves understandable in english, so you don't have to learn another language. Don't go nitpicking when it's not perfect, we are saving you a whole lot of trouble."My condolences to you, but i know that not everyone in here has that excuse. I find that these types of phonetic errors (involving words that sound alike) are more often found in native english speakers who never paid attention in 2nd grade english class. When learning english as a secondary language, reading and writing is often learned before speech, and they are less likely to make that mistake.
supermikediggMar 29, 2006
A Microsoftie wants to say, without IE, how would one download Firefox? Well ain't that the funniest thing. Some engineers have already proved that without secretly pilfered BSD TCP/IP code, which, almost unaltered, Microsoft included in one of their released versions of NT 3.5 and even left behind some of the traces of the BSD stuff in the binary, Microsoft would have not had TCP/IP as early as they did in their OS.<a class="user" href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/19/05641/7357">http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/19/05641/7357</a>Looks like John "Opie" Carroll needs to go back to Mayberry. Microsoft shouldn't even attempt interviews anymore -- the blogosphere is too smart and has a rock solid memory.
aanarchyMar 29, 2006
I remember back in the Win 3.11 days, I used Netscape to Download MS IE v1 to test it (funny ehh?). Then i went back to Netscape because IE was taking ages to load.
diggnationdevonMar 30, 2006
Every OS that I know of has a browser in it, f**k this guy
kylewpApr 12, 2006
I personally prefer Internet Explorer over Firefox. It has all of the features that I use and none that I do not use. I have never had any security issues (spyware, adware, trojans, worms, etc) affect my computer. If you take all of the basic security measures (antivirus, firewall) and have Service Pack 2 installed, there is no reason why you cannot use Internet Explorer.
generalloyMay 29, 2007
You would be able to download Firefox with Netscape. OEMs could have bundled Netscape with their Windows installs.One of the key issues of USA v. Microsoft was the violation of the 1994 consent decree, Microsoft's threats to OEMs who did bundle Netscape to withhold Windows licenses thereby leveraging their monopoly, the Microsoft conspiracy to divide up the browser market so that Netscape wouldn't make Windows browsers (and so lose network effects to the monopoly), etc. All antitrust violations held up after the 1999 appeal in Thomas Penfold Jackson's findings of fact, plus a few more gems.But no; Microsoft attempts to appeal to us that we should THANK them. THANK you Microsoft for bundling Internet Explorer in a way _THAT IT COULDN'T BE REMOVED_ (so they claimed), and so making Windows more insecure than it was. THANK you for swindling Spyglass out of the money they deserved by promising them royalties then giving away the browser for "free" (although you customers paid for it in the Windows bundle, just like you pay for the loss-leader Xbox).Nice rewrite of history, Mickeysoft. All monopolists abuse PR just as they do their marketshare.
generalloyMay 29, 2007
"AOL doesn't even use Netscape and the own it.. there's a reason NS went down the tubes... NS4."Remember IE3? IE4?Remember the illegal bundling, whose gov't probe scared Microsoft, so they decided to integrate it into their entire OS and so claimed they couldn't remove it? Remember how MS shipped an entire OS as a bug fix (Windows 98SE)? Remember how crappy W98 was?You believe that Internet Explorer was better than Netscape. False rewrite of history.Remember that IE stagnated after competition was eliminated.
generalloyMay 29, 2007
"The monopolistic nature only applies because Microsoft had such a strong dominance in the desktop market and failed to include an alternative browser. As such, it's unlikely that Microsoft would be flamed for including IE had they just included multiple browsers in their installer and had given users the choice of which one to install."Oh boy. Please read the Department of Justice's findings of fact. You will be very much surprised by Microsoft's tactics, because you don't seem to know the history.<a class="user" href="http://biz.yahoo.com/msft/">http://biz.yahoo.com/msft/</a>A monopoly is not a bad thing unless abused; MS has abused it since the 80s.
generalloyMay 29, 2007
"You're wrong. IE is not "intertwined" with the kernel. The security problems with ActiveX are no different that what could happen with Firefox extensions, or any other browser extension."Wrong; look up Java.ActiveX wrapped C without a security sandbox.Microsoft also withheld APIs from Netscape to decrease their time to market, in favor of Microsoft. Keep that in mind, please.
christopherhibFeb 26, 2009
That is a very good point to be honest, I agree with wicketr, to have a choice would be far better, microsoft need to stop trying to own the competition and work with them instead
findhostcouponsMar 21, 2009
FireFox is the best browser now throughout all the time!