openmarket.org— Fingerprints are considered to be among the most personal of information, and fingerprint databases created and proposed in the name of national security have generated much debate.
May 23, 2008View in Crawl 4
I have to agree with Popcorn Dave, that the youth of today have no real concept of real individuality and protecting it. They see the government as the nanny they need to help keep them safe form the bad guys out there...which only feeds into the liberal, one-world global community direction the US is heading toward.The government seems bent on obtaining and maintaining a file on every single person in the US through some type of unique identifier - fingerprints, biometrics and DNA - but NO ONE is asking why?!?!How does having a registry full of aw-abiding people prevent anything form happening or help find the people who did it?!
Meh...I gave my fingerprints willingly to get a govt. security clearance so it's too late for me to lose sleep over it. Personally I will be more worried when we start turning the US into a CCTV nightmare like in the UK.
Uncle Sam already took fingerprints and DNA samples when I joined the military, not much privacy left for me either way. It reads to me that only mortgage lenders will be required to submit the prints. I was, admittedly, only skimming the reference and found only two instances of the print requirements.
Sorry, left one thing off...assuming the statement I made above was correct, wouldn't this be effective in deterring/preventing lenders convicted of felony fraud from obtaining a new license under a new identity?
Id agree with it on some conditions.1- If they are going to do this, link it with Social security and have credit agencies/banks/ EMPLOYERS use it as a name/registry check and require it.THIS SIMPLE THING ALONE WOULD CUTE BACK ON MOST IDENTITY THEFT AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND SAVE THE USA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!Not that I'm against illegal immigration but against it's misuse by employers that dont want to pay taxes on employees or health care for them. Give them working permits, let them work and pay taxes, if over 3 years they have no criminal record - allow them to apply for citizenship. Everyone else, deport!2- If I do this, it will be signed and sealed that NO law enforcement agency will be allowed to access nor use this information for prosecution or evidence in a court of law. They must obtain fingerprint data somewhere else. It is against constitutional law to require you to provide evidence and have it used against yourself in a court of law.
The fingerprint cards used for a background check to carry a gun are destroyed by the feds once the lack of a criminal history has been established (don't know about bastions of liberty, such as Chicago or Kalifornia, though). Here the fingerprints are kept around apparently forever.
christianptriotMay 23, 2008
I have to agree with Popcorn Dave, that the youth of today have no real concept of real individuality and protecting it. They see the government as the nanny they need to help keep them safe form the bad guys out there...which only feeds into the liberal, one-world global community direction the US is heading toward.The government seems bent on obtaining and maintaining a file on every single person in the US through some type of unique identifier - fingerprints, biometrics and DNA - but NO ONE is asking why?!?!How does having a registry full of aw-abiding people prevent anything form happening or help find the people who did it?!
unfriendlyfireMay 23, 2008
Do anyone one still think Alex Jones and Ron Paul are wrong?
mmmmmbiscuitsMay 23, 2008
Meh...I gave my fingerprints willingly to get a govt. security clearance so it's too late for me to lose sleep over it. Personally I will be more worried when we start turning the US into a CCTV nightmare like in the UK.
jerger23May 23, 2008
Uncle Sam already took fingerprints and DNA samples when I joined the military, not much privacy left for me either way. It reads to me that only mortgage lenders will be required to submit the prints. I was, admittedly, only skimming the reference and found only two instances of the print requirements.
jerger23May 23, 2008
Sorry, left one thing off...assuming the statement I made above was correct, wouldn't this be effective in deterring/preventing lenders convicted of felony fraud from obtaining a new license under a new identity?
Closed AccountMay 23, 2008
Id agree with it on some conditions.1- If they are going to do this, link it with Social security and have credit agencies/banks/ EMPLOYERS use it as a name/registry check and require it.THIS SIMPLE THING ALONE WOULD CUTE BACK ON MOST IDENTITY THEFT AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND SAVE THE USA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!Not that I'm against illegal immigration but against it's misuse by employers that dont want to pay taxes on employees or health care for them. Give them working permits, let them work and pay taxes, if over 3 years they have no criminal record - allow them to apply for citizenship. Everyone else, deport!2- If I do this, it will be signed and sealed that NO law enforcement agency will be allowed to access nor use this information for prosecution or evidence in a court of law. They must obtain fingerprint data somewhere else. It is against constitutional law to require you to provide evidence and have it used against yourself in a court of law.
aki009May 24, 2008
The fingerprint cards used for a background check to carry a gun are destroyed by the feds once the lack of a criminal history has been established (don't know about bastions of liberty, such as Chicago or Kalifornia, though). Here the fingerprints are kept around apparently forever.