forum.osx86project.org— A member at the OSx86 Project Forums has finally gotten Vista to fully install on his Intel Mac. There are still a few glitches, but he's posted his instructions along with several screenshots!
Apr 9, 2006View in Crawl 4
More further proof that MAC's just want to be a PC..., and how is this going to switch users over? For one you would have to buy a MAC, for most users, they don't have the cash to payout or geeks don't want to the low end machines. If Apple really wanted to take marketshare, they would allow you to install OSX on any computer, but then there is allot of security risks in that too,(legacy support) could expose the OS....o well. Anyway I think this is a phase that will run it course soon enough(bootcamp that is).
Similar to how most people who used to agree with you are past that "phase". You are completely wrong. Apple's are hardly low end machines (check the specs sometime), and $1299 isn't much for all that you get in an iMac.Oh and btw, there is a difference between a MAC and a Mac. Don't get confused.
@dioscaido"Apple may instead see OSX applications dwindling "Not if they allow you to run windows apps natively inside OSX with some sort of a universal binary conversion utility. The easier they make it for dev's, the better.
This is interesting to know, but a very odd concept. Windows and OSX is like oil and water. I've never met anyone that was an avid Mac user that wanted Windows on their machine or vice versa.
"i guarantee you if you bought an intel based mac and dual booted it with OS X and windows, you would only use the windows when you HAD to."Sorry, but not everyone likes Mac OS X. I bought an iBook and played around with it for a few months before finally selling it. I definitely prefer Windows XP. Same at work. We have a G5 due to the requirements of that employee to run video production software not available on Windows. Getting Mac OS X to participate gracefully on a Windows network is like pulling teeth.
"I don't see what the big deal is and why anyone would want to pay the hardware price for a mac and put pc software on it."I've been working with PC's both building them and selling in a retail environment for 9 years. I recently was given an old eMac 700mhz, and liked the OS so much after toying with running hacked OSX on my P4 machine i sold my P4 box and got a 20" iMac Core Duo. This was BEFORE bootcamp. (the day before)OSX on that 700mhz eMac was quicker to boot, and subjectively nicer for web use, than my P4. And my P4 had 2x 36gb 10,000rpm raptors striped as the boot volume.OSX is fully scriptable with applescript and automator, you can easily make all the programs talk to each other and stop doing repeative stuff over and over. example: In windows, you have 300 digital photos which are all called DSC_1653671.JPG and they are all in one folder, and you want to name half of them "Holiday-1.jpg, Holiday-2.jpg" etc, and the other half you want to call something else, but numbered sequentially with the date, ie "Work Party Pics 23-04-06 1.jpg" Under windows, you can't do the above without serious mucking around either in dos or with 3rd party apps. On the mac, i highlight the ones i want, right click, chose my 'rename files' script from the automator sub menu. It prompts me for a start name, i type holiday and push ok. DONE.The other thing though, music and video professionals prefer macs because they seriously are better at this for number of reasons, and for them price isn't an issue anyway. So far, the things that really P*ss me off about the Mac OS X (ie, you can't right click, send to, mail recipient) i can make an easy work around for. The things that big me about windows (compared to OSX) can't be fixed no matter how much shareware i download from tucows etc.But, your mileage may vary :) I do use XP on my mac, for Doom 3, Mafia, NFS Most Wanted, and it flys along nicely. I was suprised.
I think the reason people want to buy a mac, is because of the sleek, professional-looking design. Yes, you can get better hardware for cheaper, but that requires the knowledge of building a computer along with knowing what parts to get. I've got OS X on my PC, and it runs faster, by far, than the G5 at my school. Darwiniandude, the reason your eMac was quicker to boot than your P4 is because either your hardware wasn't fully compatible, or you didn't do the optimizations to OS X to make it run faster on a beigebox PC. My PC boots into the OS X desktop from the bootloader in under 10 seconds.
letmereplynowApr 9, 2006
More further proof that MAC's just want to be a PC..., and how is this going to switch users over? For one you would have to buy a MAC, for most users, they don't have the cash to payout or geeks don't want to the low end machines. If Apple really wanted to take marketshare, they would allow you to install OSX on any computer, but then there is allot of security risks in that too,(legacy support) could expose the OS....o well. Anyway I think this is a phase that will run it course soon enough(bootcamp that is).
mcziggzApr 9, 2006
Similar to how most people who used to agree with you are past that "phase". You are completely wrong. Apple's are hardly low end machines (check the specs sometime), and $1299 isn't much for all that you get in an iMac.Oh and btw, there is a difference between a MAC and a Mac. Don't get confused.
latourApr 9, 2006
If people want to switch Operating systems so much why don't people just use linux.. it's just as good as osx and its free.
jimmyjohnjediApr 9, 2006
Finally, a sock running on my foot. Pink ponies and and flowery farts....weeeeeeeeeeee!
mikeroysoftApr 10, 2006
@dioscaido"Apple may instead see OSX applications dwindling "Not if they allow you to run windows apps natively inside OSX with some sort of a universal binary conversion utility. The easier they make it for dev's, the better.
joetsunamiApr 10, 2006
This is interesting to know, but a very odd concept. Windows and OSX is like oil and water. I've never met anyone that was an avid Mac user that wanted Windows on their machine or vice versa.
drwtsn32Apr 10, 2006
"i guarantee you if you bought an intel based mac and dual booted it with OS X and windows, you would only use the windows when you HAD to."Sorry, but not everyone likes Mac OS X. I bought an iBook and played around with it for a few months before finally selling it. I definitely prefer Windows XP. Same at work. We have a G5 due to the requirements of that employee to run video production software not available on Windows. Getting Mac OS X to participate gracefully on a Windows network is like pulling teeth.
darwiniandudeApr 28, 2006
"I don't see what the big deal is and why anyone would want to pay the hardware price for a mac and put pc software on it."I've been working with PC's both building them and selling in a retail environment for 9 years. I recently was given an old eMac 700mhz, and liked the OS so much after toying with running hacked OSX on my P4 machine i sold my P4 box and got a 20" iMac Core Duo. This was BEFORE bootcamp. (the day before)OSX on that 700mhz eMac was quicker to boot, and subjectively nicer for web use, than my P4. And my P4 had 2x 36gb 10,000rpm raptors striped as the boot volume.OSX is fully scriptable with applescript and automator, you can easily make all the programs talk to each other and stop doing repeative stuff over and over. example: In windows, you have 300 digital photos which are all called DSC_1653671.JPG and they are all in one folder, and you want to name half of them "Holiday-1.jpg, Holiday-2.jpg" etc, and the other half you want to call something else, but numbered sequentially with the date, ie "Work Party Pics 23-04-06 1.jpg" Under windows, you can't do the above without serious mucking around either in dos or with 3rd party apps. On the mac, i highlight the ones i want, right click, chose my 'rename files' script from the automator sub menu. It prompts me for a start name, i type holiday and push ok. DONE.The other thing though, music and video professionals prefer macs because they seriously are better at this for number of reasons, and for them price isn't an issue anyway. So far, the things that really P*ss me off about the Mac OS X (ie, you can't right click, send to, mail recipient) i can make an easy work around for. The things that big me about windows (compared to OSX) can't be fixed no matter how much shareware i download from tucows etc.But, your mileage may vary :) I do use XP on my mac, for Doom 3, Mafia, NFS Most Wanted, and it flys along nicely. I was suprised.
amdprophetJun 16, 2006
I think the reason people want to buy a mac, is because of the sleek, professional-looking design. Yes, you can get better hardware for cheaper, but that requires the knowledge of building a computer along with knowing what parts to get. I've got OS X on my PC, and it runs faster, by far, than the G5 at my school. Darwiniandude, the reason your eMac was quicker to boot than your P4 is because either your hardware wasn't fully compatible, or you didn't do the optimizations to OS X to make it run faster on a beigebox PC. My PC boots into the OS X desktop from the bootloader in under 10 seconds.