news.com.com— New York Times hacker Adrian Lamo cites religious objections for not giving blood for DNA sample; hearing to explore whether alternatives are acceptable.
Jan 19, 2007View in Crawl 4
@ farrellj Are you new to digg? Of course people here know the difference between right and wrong regarding hacking, sure you can discover new things by hacking but the point, again, is breaking into a server you don't have permission to be on and claiming that *your* rights are being violated because of how your treated by the law is idiotic.
re: @ray901Actually, most of the real hackers *ARE* geniuses, with IQs over 140. And most geniuses are misunderstood in today's society. Please don't confuse the term "Hacker" with "cracker", and "script kiddie"...If you want the best definition of what a "Hacker", read the book about about them, called "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" (ISBN 0-385-19195-2) by journalist Steven Levy.ttyl
Hey folks. I'd like to clear a couple things up, for posterity.First of all, you can read a very complete elucidation of our (the defense's) position @ <a class="user" href="http://terrorists.ir/~adrian/reply/">http://terrorists.ir/~adrian/reply/</a>Secondly. My objection is very simple. I don't believe that anyone should have their blood spilled against their will. It's the essence of life, given by God, and when there are less burdensome alternatives that work just as well, it seems pretty clear to me that it's uncalled for. I offered the government my DNA in any other form, and they explicitly declined it, despite accepting other forms into their database in alternate scenarios. Third: To the people that commented on my past crimes in contrast to eternal law. I make mistakes, sometimes huge ones. I can be crass and hubristic, but every failure to do right drives me to do better. I've also saved lives, and changed worlds. Only God knows if it balances out in the end. I'm comfortable with everything I am today, but know that there is still work left to be done. To reply to one post about my comment in KDM's book about security work: In a press release that will be out in the nearish future, I make clear that I don't want to do security work for the Fortune 500 list. I'm offering my services to the companies and entities that couldn't otherwise afford competent work. I want to do something egalitarian, because of all of the positive experiences I've had doing work for nonprofits.To reply to a 2nd post about meeting me in high school: I was a jerk at 16. I'm sorry for anyone that offended then. I think we're all different people than we were 10 years ago. Time is funny like that. I still have an AOL account :) Thank you for reading
It's hard to frame a suspect with just a cheek swab. With blood, you just splatter some of it on the crime scene, like a datacenter or the hacker's own computer, and the jury just knows they did it. :)
ottoJan 19, 2007
He could be. Many Jehovah's Witnesses have died through refusing blood transfusions.
dhughesJan 19, 2007
@ farrellj Are you new to digg? Of course people here know the difference between right and wrong regarding hacking, sure you can discover new things by hacking but the point, again, is breaking into a server you don't have permission to be on and claiming that *your* rights are being violated because of how your treated by the law is idiotic.
farrelljJan 19, 2007
re: @ray901Actually, most of the real hackers *ARE* geniuses, with IQs over 140. And most geniuses are misunderstood in today's society. Please don't confuse the term "Hacker" with "cracker", and "script kiddie"...If you want the best definition of what a "Hacker", read the book about about them, called "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" (ISBN 0-385-19195-2) by journalist Steven Levy.ttyl
adrianlamoJan 19, 2007
Hey folks. I'd like to clear a couple things up, for posterity.First of all, you can read a very complete elucidation of our (the defense's) position @ <a class="user" href="http://terrorists.ir/~adrian/reply/">http://terrorists.ir/~adrian/reply/</a>Secondly. My objection is very simple. I don't believe that anyone should have their blood spilled against their will. It's the essence of life, given by God, and when there are less burdensome alternatives that work just as well, it seems pretty clear to me that it's uncalled for. I offered the government my DNA in any other form, and they explicitly declined it, despite accepting other forms into their database in alternate scenarios. Third: To the people that commented on my past crimes in contrast to eternal law. I make mistakes, sometimes huge ones. I can be crass and hubristic, but every failure to do right drives me to do better. I've also saved lives, and changed worlds. Only God knows if it balances out in the end. I'm comfortable with everything I am today, but know that there is still work left to be done. To reply to one post about my comment in KDM's book about security work: In a press release that will be out in the nearish future, I make clear that I don't want to do security work for the Fortune 500 list. I'm offering my services to the companies and entities that couldn't otherwise afford competent work. I want to do something egalitarian, because of all of the positive experiences I've had doing work for nonprofits.To reply to a 2nd post about meeting me in high school: I was a jerk at 16. I'm sorry for anyone that offended then. I think we're all different people than we were 10 years ago. Time is funny like that. I still have an AOL account :) Thank you for reading
dtfinchJan 20, 2007
Why the f**k would they need a DNA sample from a hacker?
dtfinchJan 20, 2007
It's hard to frame a suspect with just a cheek swab. With blood, you just splatter some of it on the crime scene, like a datacenter or the hacker's own computer, and the jury just knows they did it. :)
fluffyarmadaJan 20, 2007
Kinda sucks though... that now that I've perfected that, they take away all the old phones. :-(
psygnisfiveJan 20, 2007
Yes, thats what's sprayed on his computer.. blood!<a class="user" href="http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=213">http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=213</a>