wtkr.com — "The head of the engineer science and mechanics department says two professors were among the 32 people gunned down by a lone gunman, who then took his own life. (...) Another professor killed was Kevin Granata. He conducted orthopedic research in hospitals before coming to Tech."
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irvin666Apr 18, 2007
Was the shooter muslim?
umbraeApr 18, 2007
Edit: (whoops. double post)
btfreekApr 18, 2007
That professor was Liviu Librescu, who actually is mentioned in the article- his picture is the one in the centre.
Closed AccountApr 18, 2007
notice all the asian and korean community leaders and groups all send their condolenses to the victims and worry about how the world will think of asians in general? while the muslims haven't said s**t about 9/11 or london or any other f**kin terrorist attack... the leaders say their s**t and go behind closed doors and praise the hi jackers....see the difference in culture?
thereApr 19, 2007
........"Well thats funny, because there IS no rational reason for what he did"........We're playing with semantics here. He was irrational yes but what it comes down to is do you believe that the universe has rules that can be described? There are processes in his mind and life that occured that can be broken down futher than then euphemistic "he's the devil. He's the devil". It sounds to me like your more interested in punishing people rather than trying to find solutions to problems. I'm not saying we should let dangerous roam freely, only that we should examine the causes. ..........I think your example of the cows is a non-sequiter. Sure, you may figure out what he claims his reasons are, and come up with a theory about HIM, but he's dead. Your theory will have no predictive value. But in order to figure out that he was sick and get treatment to him preemptively, we would also have had to violate his privacy and rights. There have always been psycopaths and maladjusts and I resent you saying that I'm being irrational for recognizing that you can't force people to be other than they are........... Schizophrenics were once looked at as "evil" too now they are treated with drugs. This is not "stepping on their rights" because they weren't functioning properly in the first place. If some crazy starts yanking it in public he'll be arrested. This isn't stepping on his rights... its protecting everyone elses. Laws exist to decide what happens when two interests conflict someone always loses something that's the nature of choice. I'm pretty sure technology in the future is going to improve to the point we can spot problems before they happen........ We don't even understand psychiatry enough to prevent depression, and now you want to figure out how he came to lose his moral footing and somehow prevent it in the future. Good luck, you'll need to put cameras in every childs home to make sure the parents aren't ever abusive. And yet, even though many people are abused, he was the one who decided to spread around his pain. He made himself, as we all do, and to try to make him different is an insult to human dignity and personal freedoms........ Why is it illegal to have sex with children when it was common decades ago? What data do you think drove their creation? Do you view those laws as an insult to human dignity and personal freedom?.Would you repeal them? ....... And ultimately you're trying to blame society; that we failed our responsibility to fix other people. I disagree. Its not society's fault. Its his........ Absolutely not. You have some stereotype in your head but its not me. My motive is to solve problems so me, my wife and my kids.. and hopeful you and yours never have to run into the same problem. People have the tendency to think that because some problem has always existed..it always will. IMO this is a very negative attitude. Where would all the fantastic things in this world be if all the people that first improved things said "oh its never been done... we'll never know how.... it's impossible". Any ancient philosopher would have told you x-rays are clearly impossible using what appeared to be a priori thinking. They would have been wrong though. Thankful there is this thing called empericism that leads to all sorts of wonderful things. Think back a million years ago what man knew and look at him today. Maybe I'm an optimist but I get the distinct feeling nothing we can imagine is impossible. The only thing that limits us is our own ability to solve a given problem.
afreytApr 19, 2007
You are WAY off base lecturing me on empiricism. And as an aside, Yes, forcing a schizophrenic onto medication they don't want IS a violation of their civil rights. As someone who has had to deal with reticent psychiatric patients in the past, it is extremely difficult to know where the line is when one is morally compelled to intervene against the patient's wishes. I appreciate your faith in science and your desire to fix everything wrong with other people, but the first person one needs to fix, before one goes to solve everyone else's problems is yourself. Cho said "we could have stopped him a billion times over". I say "Cho could have stopped himself ONCE", and we're wasting our time. But since its not my money you're wasting trying to figure out what society did wrong, be my guest. While you're busy working on the problem of "Why evil?" I'll be trying to solve some more tractable problems that aren't being created by bad parenting and poor socialization.As far as I'm concerned, we HAVE had a billion chances. Every Columbine, Every Oklahoma City, this naval-gazing happens, and nothing changes. If you're going to talk about preventing Cho's, I'd like to see some results this time around. Otherwise its just more people talking out of their ass trying to feel superior. I am a scientist, and THE principle problem is where to put money to get the most solid information you can per dollar. It is not with trying to figure out what went wrong with Cho. With 7 Billion people on the planet, a few Cho's are going to happen no matter what scientific-psycho-utopia you try to build.